Guardian Talk Unlimited.
The Mundi Club Banned from GUT.
On monday july 26th 2004 a Guardian Unlimited Talk moderator informed themundiclub that it had been banned from its Talk forum. Although it supposedly operates a warning system prior to banning, GUT issued a warning to themundiclub at 15:11:25 and the notification of the ban was sent at 15:14:12. In other words, two minutes and 47 seconds later. themundiclub did not see either of GUT's emails until the following day, 27th july. The following is the letter sent 27th july to GUT objecting to the ban.

I would just like to register my protest at being banned from Guardian Unlimited Talk. I have just gone into my email box july 27th and found two emails.

The first was a warning email sent on july 26th at 15:11:25.

The second was a notification of my being banned which was sent the same day at 15:14:12. In other words, two minutes and 47 seconds later.

You state, "You have continued to break the talk policy and are therefore banned from the talkboards."

Firstly, I did not break GUT’s talk policy after the first warning.

Secondly, I had no chance of reading the first warning before the ban came into effect.

I would like to point out that a warning system that does not allow for a change of behaviour is, in effect, instant dismissal. I would be grateful if you could either review the decision so that it accords with "fair play" or allow me to discuss this issue with your boss so that I can point out the way that Guardian rules are being implemented.

One final point: there are a large number of people on GUT who openly support ethnic cleansing and you are doing nothing about them. This doesn’t seem fair to me.


The Objection to the Ban
What going on on Guardian Unlimited Talk?
Guardian Unlimited Talk recently banned themundiclub for talking about zionist world domination. The past history of this phrase is well known but times change. Jewish people now have a state and possess regional military dominance over the middle east. They also have a powerful influence over the american and brutish political systems. There is a valid argument about the scale of zionist influence. Themundiclub believes there is sufficient evidence for suggesting that there is such a thing as global zionist domination. The case for such a proposition can be developed from a geocentric perspective which upholds the idea of the equality of all races and nations and supports constitutional government (especially the american constitution). This perspective is based on the principles of freedom and justice.

GUT’s zionists insist that the idea of global zionist domination could emanate only from a right wing, totalitarian, concentration camp loving, political theory. Perhaps they are genuinely ignorant that this is no longer the case or perhaps they just want to attack such a concept as a means of enforcing their own political values on others. On GUT, they reacted with fury and outrage at the idea even though most of them are ethnic cleansers and thus much closer to nazis than themundiclub could ever be.

It would be quite understandable if GUT was to ban neonazis from its talk forums - indeed themundiclub supports such a ban. However, the fact that GUT could ban themundiclub for promoting an idea when it is based on political freedom and political justice is a massive step towards curbing freedom of speech and a massive step towards legitimizing zionist ethnic cleansing. Themundiclub believes it is appalling that GUT is in effect giving ethnic cleansers the right to spread their bigotry whilst banning those who oppose such bigotry.

The following sections highlight the ethnic cleansers on GUT and some of their extreme zionist views. It then highlights the political principles mentioned by themundiclub during its time on GUT.

The zionist/palestinian conflict is no longer a conflict which exists in one tiny part of the world. It is being fought out In many countries around the world on such issues as international law, united nations resolutions, the war on terror, and ethnic cleansing. If countries do not abide by international laws and abide by united nations resolutions then we face either global anarchy or global dominance in which ethnic cleansing is sanctified by the strong.

GUT’s Ethnic Cleansers
GUT is heavily dominated by zionist ethnic cleansers who work as a group to criticize/ridicule/abuse/threaten anyone who disagrees with their opinion. The structure of these confrontations is almost the same in every single case. An anti-zionist will raise an issue and will then find him/herself confronted by a posse of ethnic cleansers. The following are a few GUT posters who openly support the ethnic cleansing of palestinians:

AmericanWoman
#21states that, "They (palestinian refugees) never should have left in the first place. They were screwed by Arab leaders, not the Jews." (Thread: Arafat recognises the Jewish state of Israel. Prepared to drop the right of return for all Palestinains refugees).

Stendec
Sharon has been a successful warrior against the terrorists .. (Thread: Arafat recognises the Jewish state of Israel. Prepared to drop the right of return for all Palestinains refugees 03:45pm Jun 20, 2004 #633).

SuperSize.
"The Pals are arabs. They should return to Arabia or the Persian Gulf." (Thread: ‘Why do the Pals want RofR and Jerusalem?’ May 27, 2004 #130 ).
Imagine if right wing people in britain said that pakistanis should go home.

GUT Posters who Believe Palestinians are Demolishing their own Homes.
zeejay.
"bs....they (palestinians) demolished the homes themselves to get compensation." (Thread: Good for Sharon 01:28pm Jun 10, 2004 BST #67 ).

Racist Posters.
SuperSize.
"The Pals are arabs. They should return to Arabia or the Persian Gulf. The Jews are from Israel and they have come home. That is the simple fact. The Pals are just Arabs that want to destroy Israel. They do not care about a getting a country. They only care about blowing themseleves up and getting to their Allah. They are a culture that worships death. (Thread: ‘Why do the Pals want RofR and Jerusalem?’ May 27, 2004 #130 ).
Zionist ethnic cleansers commonly use the racist abbreviation ‘pals’ ­ just like right wing fascists in britain who call pakistanis ‘pakis’.

dharley.
"you, I and the entire world, apart from him, are being controlled by Jooooos." (Thread: The end of Political Correctness. What started out as intolerance of hate has become hatred's enabler: The case of the "Berkeley Intifada" #605).

Supporters of the Demolition of the Al Aksa Mosque.
zeejay.
1. The Dome of the Rock is not a Mosque. It desecrates the ground where the Jewish Temple will be.
2. Al Aksa was a Byzantine Church converted by the Muslims when they invaded.
What are Muslims doing in a Christian Church? (Thread: Good for Sharon Jun 6, 2004 #52).

GUT Posters Promoting Violence.
GoodByeLenin.
THWACK!!! (Thread: The Facts pointing to Zionist World Domination. 01:36pm Jul 25, 2004 #1).

AmericanWoman.
"Get ready for forced circumcision mundi." (Thread: The Facts pointing to Zionist World Domination. 02:09pm Jul 25, 2004 #24).

GUT allows Ethnic Cleansing Threads to Stand.
GUT not merely allows ethnic cleansers to spout their racism it allows threads supporting ethnic cleansing to stand. It did not remove the thread ‘Good for Sharon!’ allowing the ethnic cleansers to highlight their support for this terrorist, war criminal, mass murderer, and now state terrorist.

themundiclub’s Statements of Political Principles on GUT
Support for Multi-Culturalism.
"Both america and britain, like most other over-industrialized countries, are multi-cultural societies. It is important therefore that each of the ethnic groups in those societies are represented in their political system. It would be best if they could be represented in terms of their proportion of the population. There is however no political mechanism for bringing about such an ideal. One of the consequences of such a mechanism would be the need to know representatives’ ethnic origins/allegiances. American and british constitutions need to be reformed to meet the needs of their multi-cultural societies. These reforms should not merely ensure that all races, creeds, and colours, are given adequate representation but should also ensure that one ethnic group cannot exert excessive power at the expense of other minority groups in society." (Thread: The end of Political Correctness. What started out as intolerance of hate has become hatred's enabler: The case of the "Berkeley Intifada" 21.06.2004 no. 730).

"I support the idea that there should be parliamentary representation for minorities in accordance with the size of their population. This would mean that in parliament there would be a few chinese, a few pakistanis, a few jews, a few bangladeshis, a few blacks, a few europeans, etc, etc. Hardly the stuff of extreme right wing, neo-nazi, anti-semitism, eh?" (Thread: Why does Britain’s Jewish owned Press oppose Britain playing a central role in Europe?11:18am Jun 27, 2004 #56).

Support for Jews against Zionism.
"I should also point out that I’m an admirer of jews against zionism." (Thread: How many of the bogus Iraq stories in the New York Times did you believe? 27.05.2004 #39).

"I’m fully aware that there are many secular and liberal jews. I admire them greatly. They are far braver than I am since I’m not surrounded by vile, barbaric, fundamentalist, settlers." (Thread: The Facts pointing to Zionist World Domination. 01:36pm Jul 25, 2004 #43).

Political Stance.
"Oh and by the way, I despise those on the left of the political spectrum as much as I despise those on the right." (Thread: Who killed free-thinking on International? 26.05.2004).

Anti-Semitic Stance.
Considering that I’ve been campaigning against anti-semitism since the early seventies …." (Thread: Why does every thread that trys to tell the truth get banned? 25.05.2004).

"I oppose attempts to stir up racial hatred of jews but something has to be done to curb the power of zionists in this country (and america). After the experience of robert maxwell using the mirror to promote the first gulf war whilst defrauding pensioners of their life savings and then, after his suicide, being buried in jerusalem, I think any decent person needs to oppose those who put the interests of the zionist state before those of their adopted country." (Thread: America's oldest Jewish newspaper admits: Iraq War fought for Israel, Accusing Critics of Anti-Semitism No longer works. The charge must be Answered. 9.06.2004 no.375).

"I basically don’t favour either jews or palestinians - I just care about justice and truth." (Thread: America's oldest Jewish newspaper admits: Iraq War fought for Israel, Accusing Critics of Anti-Semitism No longer works. The charge must be Answered.6.06.2004 no.373).

The Zionist State in Palestine.
"I support the right of israel to exist within the boundaries laid down by un resolutions." (Thread: How many Zionists are there in the Bush Administration? 22.05.04).

Removal of themundiclub’s Threads/Topics.
The Guardian removed the following threads started by themundiclub

1. Anti-Racist Racism

2. Bush and Sharon: A Summary.

3. George Bush is nothing but a Zionist Puppet

4. How many Zionists are there in the Bush Administration?

5. 'Mad Dog Bush' starting war with Syria

6. ‘Against The Law To Criticize Israel?’

7. The Facts pointing to Zionist World Domination.

Conclusions.
The particular misunderstanding that GUT had about themundiclub derived from the fact that GUT supported the zionist ethnic cleansers’ assumptions that the concept of global zionist domination could come only from an extreme right wing theory. But,it has to be asked, does themundiclub’s support for constitutional government and multi-culturalism sound like posts from an extreme, right wing, anti-semitic, anti-moslem, neo-fascist, authoritarian, poster? I like to regard myself as following in the traditions of the late hannah arendt ­ a german jewish political philosopher.

What is going on on GUT is a microcosm of the wider world where zionist commentators dominate the intellectual debate in america and, to a much less marked extent, in britain. Rather than trying to ensure that posters adhere to principles of tolerance and decency GUT reflects the dominant global paradigm in which a terrorist like sharon is regarded as a man of peace and palestinians are regarded as terrorists.

On the basis of my few weeks experience on GUT, it has to be concluded that GUT is giving sanctuary and moral comfort to zionist ethnic cleansers whilst taking action against those deploring such racism.

Basically what the guardian is doing is confirming the widely held view that anyone who criticizes the zionist state in palestine must be anti-semitisc.and that hatred for what the zionists are doing to the palestinians is based solely on hatred for jews.


The Zionist Patrol Group - written july 16th 2004.
This section was written a couple of weeks before the GUT ban.

A couple of years ago the mundi club joined various msn talk forums covering international events. It raised issues concerning the palestinian-zionist conflict and found that, almost straight away, large number of posters tried to disrupt the thread by employing a range of tactics from ridicule, derision, accusations, misrepresentation, and intimidation. Another tactic was to engage in personal trivia about irrelevant issues in order to make any serious discussion of the topic impossible. When they were serious they argued that ariel sharon was a hero and was totally blameless for any of the crimes he’d committed. This was systemmatic revisionism that I thought was confined solely to extreme right wing group’s discussions of the nazi era. Here again then we have zionists copying the methods of their implacable enemies. These zionists ganged up to disrupt every thread started by the mundi club.

In march 2004 the mundi club decided to join the Guardian’s talk forum, Guardian Unlimited Talk (GUT). It was suspected that there’d be a more considered and more civilized discussion of sensitive issues. What was discovered there, however, was exactly the same tactics and the same historical revisionism as had been used in the msn groups. Whether these posters were the same as those on msn is not known but they were using exactly the same tactics. The mundi club decided to name these pro-zionist bigots as the zionist patrol group because of their co-ordinated approach to dealing with anyone who didn’t share their bigotry.

It has to be suspected that the same phenomenon occurs on most other talk forums on the internet. Talk forums are global with participants from every country so it was strange coming across opinions that would rarely be found in britain. I suppose that over the decades I’d got so used to the idea of the guardian being a british national newspaper suitable for a british culture that I’d failed to appreciate that once the guardian was being published on the web it was now being read by people all over the world. However, peoples’ response to the guardian didn’t seem to be rooted in their own particular cultures because the responses were so similar i.e. pro-zionist.

The following is the exchange of views submitted to a thread started by the mundi club concerning the jewish ownership of the british media. Some of the posters use simulated violence whereas others are threatening the future use of violence. Virtually all of the posters are pro-zionist supporters of ariel sharon and ethnic cleansing.

It takes a little time for it to sink in that GUT’s world is inhabited by people who think that the ethnic cleansing of palestinians in palestine is perfectly acceptable and that anyone who doesn’t support the oppression, humiliation and abuse of the palestinians is a terrorist.

The main revelation about these posters is their extremism. When people think about palestine they think of just another european country inhabited by normal european people beset by arab terrorists. It is a shock to discover the sheer extremism of zionist posters. It almost seems as if they believe they are fighting the palestinian-zionist conflict over the internet.

It is also amazing that the guardian allows such explicit ethnic cleansers to express their extremism as if it is just a normal, acceptable, everyday political policy. The guardian makes no effort to ban people who support ethnic cleansing or who express their admiration for a terrorist, mass murderer, and war criminal such as ariel sharon. The biggest shock however is that if you mention the word jew there is not only an almighty eruption of vehemence and aggression but GUT almost immediately removes the topic from the forum.

The sheer belligerence of zionist posters is unbelievable. It obviously comes from the fact that they are so hyped up by sharon’s war on defenceless palestinians that they’re losing sight of normal civilized life. Even though many of the posters may be thousands of miles away from palestine, most of the zionist posters feel they are in a war and most do their part to support the zionist war effort in whatever propaganda way they can.eThry display all the mentality of people engaged in combat ­ albeit against innocent and helpless palestinian people. It has to be wondered whether they are psychologically training themselves for the time when they join the zionist military to do their stint for the humiliation of the palestinian people.

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