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Play Partners!
How do you feel about multiples or monogamous relationships?
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Dungeon Chat is held Wednesday Evenings 9-11 EST in the Dungeon @ Fantassia's Palace.
All are welcome with the understanding that we all have the right to disagree without being disagreeable.
(following text has been edited ~ foregoing greetings, etc.)
Wed Feb 9 8:03:04 2000
LES IS MORE(m): CC
to ME all acts of BDSM are sexually related
the sensitive organs of one partner May NEVER touch the sensitive organs of the other but it does not change the sexual feeling
Wed Feb 9 8:03:51 2000
mikyi{KZK}: the value of His sub no??? but He is not listening to what His sub needs either they should sit and speak of how to work it out.. so that the Master gets what He desires.. and the sub doesn't feel she is of no use or value
Wed Feb 9 8:04:05 2000
~*~entropy~*~: that depends on the reason for another sub... PAIN, or what as to how the value is seen for me i have not yet gone the "pain limits" route still testing the waters and there is so much more out there to find one open enough to allow me to do this is hard because of the trust and communication that is required
Wed Feb 9 8:04:16 2000
Wolf: Les is More .. of course the Safe sane and consentual.... applys always.*S*....goodnight
Wed Feb 9 8:04:49 2000
LES IS MORE(m): CC so it depends on what definition of sex you attest to Clintons or every thing is sexual
Wed Feb 9 8:05:00 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: I can and have found the very sexual side of eroticism in bdsm . . .but I find other things as well . . . the sheer "joy" of taking one "there" that is not a sexual stimulus but there is not a doubt that a heavy flow of endorphines!
Wed Feb 9 8:05:59 2000
fireshadow: no imho it would not negate the sub because it is a Dom/me that they wanted and it is a Dom/me that they are getting and He or She is just exercising the right and priviledge that comes with that Title....
Wed Feb 9 8:07:35 2000
LES IS MORE(m): entropy
some times I need a sub just just likes to serve
some times I need a sub that needs pain
some times I need a sub that needs mental sensation
some times I need a sub that needs to be broken so to speak
some times I need a sub that likes to cuddle
every day is new
every sub is different
Wed Feb 9 8:07:39 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: fireshadow . . . is that a sub or a slave?
mikyi{KZK}: fireshadow that sounds more like a slave Master
relationship then a Master/missive one..
for a slave has no rights... and a missive has many
Wed Feb 9 8:11:29 2000
LES IS MORE(m): mikyi
well to me a subbie gives up some rights and a slave gives up all but one
the right to leave
Wed Feb 9 8:12:49 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: a submissive gains much as well . . . err go the power exchange . . .
Wed Feb 9 8:12:53 2000
fireshadow: No Ma'am i am not a slave really...it is just that in O/our relationship i give complete trust over to Her along with heart , mind, body and soul.....I trust Her to make the right decisions for U/us
Wed Feb 9 8:12:56 2000
mikyi{KZK}: agreed Master More *smiles*
but at the same time.. as a slave does not have to right to challenge her Master..
a missive has to right to speak up.. and let her feeling be heard as well..
where as when a slave submits.. she gives over all rights to her Master
Wed Feb 9 8:14:42 2000
fireshadow: i have many rights but to me if Y/you are able to give and take so freely Y/you lose some of the "power" in "power exchange" what exchange is there if you keep so much power?
Wed Feb 9 8:16:42 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: that, fireshadow, is again subjective . . that which one finds acceptable and very "proper" can be dashed to the river styxx in a heart beat that w/that which is NOT acceptable
Wed Feb 9 8:18:16 2000
mikyi{KZK}: fireshadow.... *nodding* i agree to a point.. but would you suggest to others just starting out in this lifestyle to immerse themselves as deeply and give over so much from the beginning???
as a relationship grows.. the power exchange becomes more.. the Dom takes over more and more of that power.. and the missive less and less...
but in the beginning the missive has more power.. as they can set the pace that it will start at...
Wed Feb 9 8:18:59 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: in essence I think it gets down to . . . asking the question honestly what is right for you . . . be it Dom or sub . . . and then acting accordingly . . . but know that those questions cannot be answered until you have examined and know yourself
Wed Feb 9 8:20:06 2000
LES IS MORE(m): mikyi
agreed at the start one must becarefull about the power you allow
or you can just be abused by a wanna be or predator
Wed Feb 9 8:21:31 2000
LES IS MORE(m): well it is late and the alarm time is getting closer I must be off night A/all
Wed Feb 9 8:21:49 2000
mikyi{KZK}: *nodding* aye i have had that happen in the past... it is not a pretty site...
Wed Feb 9 8:22:06 2000
fireshadow: I agree with that mikyi....you would not want to give youself over to One that you had just met at all. That is where the trust comes in i think...it has to be cultivated it is not just inherent because Someone calls Themselves a Dom/me
Wed Feb 9 8:22:15 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: that I think is what LES IS MORE and Wolf as well as Confessor were alluding to . . . the honesty . . . knowing and trusting ~ it is within that framework that a relationship . . . in any lifestyle . . is built . . once trust is established more and more is given over once it is "safe" there . . and that, I think, applies to both Dom and sub
Wed Feb 9 8:23:30 2000
LES IS MORE(m): CC aye it is best the DOM know when to use the safe word when the subbie becomes unable to or to far into it to know when it is no longer safe to continue
Wed Feb 9 8:23:31 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: boy isn't that the truth . . it is the actions that prove one out . . and that holds for not only a Dom/me . . but submissive as well
Wed Feb 9 8:23:59 2000
Dornic: Sorry I missed this... looks good ~scrolling back~ Had hockey practice ~g~
Wed Feb 9 8:24:06 2000
fireshadow: and since i have never been in a casual play scene....is it as intense w/out the total package of 24/7?
Wed Feb 9 8:25:51 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: indeed Dornic ~ but please do add your views . . . I have saved it all and it will be yet another "missing link" *lil grin*
Wed Feb 9 8:31:31 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: mikyi ~ nighters . . . and well . . thanks all for coming ~ a bit short tonight . .but I do believe we had some good points brought up . . .nice to have intelligent adult conversation even when we don't necessarily hold the same viewpoints
Wed Feb 9 8:33:38 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: oh ariel hun ~ swooped in late . . . course you CAN still get to the history . . .
*wink*
and if you wish to leave your comments on how you feel about the reality of multiple or monogamous (I will NEVER spell that right) relationships are more fiction or reality in bdsm relationships . . .
Wed Feb 9 8:36:31 2000
Dornic: It was good. I am tired though. It's a pity I missed this because I have some viewpoints on polyamory. Was The Confessor here as well?
Wed Feb 9 8:37:01 2000
{Sin's}ariel: CC...sorry, my kids come first. i can get to the history..~grin~ Sorry i am so late...but personally, polyamorous relationships aren't for me...i think i am a *tad* too possesive. Not that i can't share..i can..i just don't want to get stuck with the one "sister" that wants to rule the roost, if You know what i mean? Have seen it too many times. and in r/t it's not a consideration...Nick can *barely* handle me..~wicked lil grin~
Wed Feb 9 8:37:15 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: indeed Dornic ~ but please do add your views . . . I have saved it all and it will be yet another "missing link" *lil grin*
Wed Feb 9 8:38:21 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: ariel ~ of course r/t and family comes first . . this is merely a discussion group . . .glad you could show . . . and your views are appreciated!
Wed Feb 9 8:39:19 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: let me amend that to "on the whole there is NOT a lot of grief" *chuckle*and what a difference a missing word makes!
Wed Feb 9 8:40:30 2000
{Sin's}ariel: Thank You..~smile~ for what they're worth, anyway...i am a bit too mouthy, here, i think...not like r/t where i am actually rather quiet.
Wed Feb 9 8:41:01 2000
Dornic: Areil: mouthiness is appreciated if thought is behind it..
Wed Feb 9 8:41:48 2000 ~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: opinions do not have to be alike to have validity . . . our lifestyle is enhanced, I think, not only by its diversity but its acceptance of that very difference and right to exist in mutual disagreement w/o being disagreeable
Wed Feb 9 8:42:31 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: good lord!!! sure nuf got carried away with that thought!!!
Wed Feb 9 8:43:50 2000
{Sin's}ariel: That's what i am told, Dornic...just to spout gets old...but when there is thoughts/feelings, behind what O/one is saying, then that's appreciated...when i talk about something especially in r/t...it's usually asking a question, or trying to tap my limited experience to answer one given me..hence, i am rather quiet...listening and learning, always
Wed Feb 9 8:47:15 2000
Dornic: ~grins~ I am getting messages from my son...
Polyamory in BDSM..I would have to think it out clearly, but I would think it would only work either in the case of two absolute slaves that are willing to anything for their master, or in the case of two submissives who ahve a relationship with each other as well as the dominant.
In either case, it is exhausting and emotional - to me worth it... but sometimes only just...
Wed Feb 9 8:48:11 2000
{Sin's}ariel: ~turns to Dornic with a wicked grin~ well, Ma'am...You'll have to do the toruturing, unfortunately, i make a lousy Dom...i am more than happy as myself...without a domme bone in my body..~grins~ ~whispers~ but i can find a few things to torture Him *with*, i'm sure
Wed Feb 9 8:50:29 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: only????? I do believe you are right . . . I think it is something that in order to really work . . all parties have to agree that that is what is desired . . .
Wed Feb 9 8:51:13 2000
{Sin's}ariel: ~scampers to the couch and settles carefully~ Thank you,
Ma'am..~smiles at Dornic~ i agree completely...there would have to be either
relationship for it to work...complete submission/slavery or to be involved with each other, as well as the Dom...but that would make it more difficult on the Dom, i think. To keep both happy and to guide two, while allowing them to explore with the other, as well..mindbending, that concept
Wed Feb 9 8:53:05 2000
Dornic: ariel: it is the most emotional thing in the world, particularly as
we are so open with each other... it is sometimes almost overwhelming
I constantly am concerned that I am making the correct
decision...
Wed Feb 9 8:54:32 2000
Dornic: Which I suppose answers the question of why I am such a deep thinker...
Wed Feb 9 8:55:10 2000
{Sin's}ariel: As long as the three of you are able to make it work and
have the openness and honesty between you, Dornic, then that's what matters...it works for you..and the relationahip you have with Your girls amazes me...You are, indeed, a lucky Man..and they are lucky to have You, as well
Here is a link to a friend's journey from v/t submission into r/t
with her Master and her Master's wife . . .
her relationship is His slave and her wife . . .
the link is used by permission.
A Personal Journey
Remember ... have fun and play safe!
Regards,
CC
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