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Dungeon Chat is held Wednesday Evenings 9-11 EST in the Dungeon @ Fantassia's Palace.
All are welcome with the understanding that we all have the right to disagree without being disagreeable.
(following text has been edited ~ foregoing greetings, etc.)
Wed Dec 8 6:53:30 1999
LES IS MORE(m): putting My feet up waiting around to see if any show for the discussion
Wed Dec 8 6:54:57 1999
Lady Ambrosia: I am here. Is CC supposed to be here tonight?
Wed Dec 8 6:57:10 1999
LES IS MORE(m): hello Ambrosia nope I am supposed to host in her place
Wed Dec 8 6:58:29 1999
LES IS MORE(m): course My server right now has decided to run dog slow
Wed Dec 8 6:58:47 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Alright. I will go make the announcement in the LC that the discussion is starting okay? *s*
Wed Dec 8 7:02:07 1999
LES IS MORE(m): ok
Wed Dec 8 7:03:18 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Back. We may just have a nice little discussion by ourselves here LIM. Whatta ya think?
Wed Dec 8 7:03:53 1999
Norse: Hi LES...what is the discussion about tonight?
Wed Dec 8 7:04:37 1999
Zenntauria: ^smiles^...I'm just watching, so am here too...^grins^
at least in spirit...so don't mind Me ^smiles to Lady A and LIM^
Wed Dec 8 7:05:09 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Ambrosia fine with ME
but Norse has a word or two he may want to inject
hey Norse
Wed Dec 8 7:06:32 1999
Norse: Hey Les....um...what is the discussion about...the subject I mean.
Wed Dec 8 7:07:08 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Well jeesul. I didn't know. *smiles @ Norse*
Let's get this show on the road then huh?
Wed Dec 8 7:07:56 1999
Norse: *rubs hands together* I'm ready. *smile*
Wed Dec 8 7:08:29 1999
LES IS MORE(m): ok the discussion is what to look for IN a DOM mostly for subbies
are there any lurking
Wed Dec 8 7:08:53 1999
Norse: Ahhhh I see. What to look for in a dom. Hmmmmm
Wed Dec 8 7:09:17 1999
Norse: Well I'd like to know so I could be looked for.
Wed Dec 8 7:11:39 1999
Norse: no lurkers.
Should a dom ever let himself submit to his subbie? Is that a turn off for most subbies?
Wed Dec 8 7:11:45 1999
Lady Ambrosia: I would like to know to. Most people anymore think that only men are Dom/mes.
Wed Dec 8 7:11:48 1999
LES IS MORE(m): ok the first statement is
in looking for a DOM a sub is looking for some one involving a deeper commitment then marriage
so it is imperative they really consider who the DOM is and What type of DOM he is
Wed Dec 8 7:12:59 1999
Lady Ambrosia: I don't know about to T/their subbies but maybe under a learning handle erhaps. I think that it is good to start out being a sub then moving on if that is Y/your prefernece.
Wed Dec 8 7:13:27 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Ambrosia in anwser to your statement I quote My self
Being Dominant/submissive is a state of mind. It is not a sex act, it is not a game, and it is not a role. It is a state of being and is totally asexual (neither male nor female)
Wed Dec 8 7:13:51 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Yes that sounds reasonable LIM.
Wed Dec 8 7:14:55 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Norse your talking about switching
some subs can some can not
Wed Dec 8 7:15:00 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Well. I do not feel that Dom/me is a sex it is asexual but most around Me seems to think that when it comes to being in control they just kinda let the men do that sorta thing. *lol*
Wed Dec 8 7:15:48 1999
Norse: Commitment has always been a scary word for me. Although I have "committed." A commitment deeper than marriage? How deep is that?
Wed Dec 8 7:16:00 1999
Lady Ambrosia: BRB putting the laundry away and switching it.
Wed Dec 8 7:16:05 1999
LES IS MORE(m): http://www.castlerealm.com/library/les.shtml
that was from A paper I wrote at the above addy
Note from BRC: try this URL for LES IS MORE(m)'s paper..... The Responsibilities and Duties Of A Dominant or http://www.geocities.com/sgc_2001/brc_articles/domresp_byles.html
Wed Dec 8 7:17:49 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Well Norse you have to understand the sub is giveing control of their body/emotions/mind to you in a way that Normally never takes place in a "normal" marriage
Wed Dec 8 7:17:571999
Norse: I personally think a female in control is quite arousing.
Wed Dec 8 7:18:03 1999
lady tiffany: ~passing through just exploring... and smiling as i discover my timing is good at finding a discussion... deciding to stay... wishing i had paid more attention to the room protocols... going to look at them quickly~
Wed Dec 8 7:19:27 1999
Zenntauria: so how can a sub differinciate if the Dom/me will know what to do with those gifts...thus setting apart the "good/qualified" Dom/mes and Those Who aren't really too sure? ^smiles
Wed Dec 8 7:20:33 1999
Zenntauria: then perhas You should become a sub, Norse..^winks,
chuckling^ find Your "true" calling ^smiles^
Wed Dec 8 7:20:40 1999
LES IS MORE(m): A DOM intering into that relationship is also makeing a deep commitment to use BDSM to bring out the submissive in the sub in a way that is safe and sane if you make a mistake you have a huge responiblity cause you can not only cause severe injury you can do a great deal of mental damage
Wed Dec 8 7:21:15 1999
Norse: For that type of commitment, LIM, it would involve a lot of responsibility on the part of the Dom. You control a persons life. Like parent and child.
Wed Dec 8 7:22:48 1999
lady tiffany: ~reading the protocols quickly... hoping i retained what i need to know to listen and participate in the discussion~
Greetings LES IS MORE...
Lady Ambrosia.. good evening..
Norse... hello.. *s*
~moving to the steps that lead down to the fire and sitting to listen~
Wed Dec 8 7:23:07 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Alright I think I'm back. *lol*
Wed Dec 8 7:24:33 1999
Norse: Zen...*lol* I tried it once. No twice..*l* I enjoyed the role play, but them it came, as it would, to humiliation, I had a very hard time accepting it. Which is why I never humiliate any subs I deal with...
Wed Dec 8 7:24:39 1999
LES IS MORE(m): hello tiffany protocal for newbes is just listen and learn ask questions and be friendly
no one who is polite is turned away
hello Zenntauria
some times that requires in rt for the sub to be some what promicuous and find out what it is they are willing to give with several experanced DOMS
a DOM should understand this
and be a little on the patient side
after all if the sub choses to make a submission over time to you YOU win
who cares about the DOMS that lost
Wed Dec 8 7:26:14 1999
Zenntauria: ^smiles^...ok
Wed Dec 8 7:26:25 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Norse you see and understand what makes the difference between a wanna be and a DOM
responsiblity for what they do
totally and complete
Wed Dec 8 7:29:31 1999
LES IS MORE(m): as for humilation
male subs seem to be MORE attracted to that then the female subs
but a lot of female subs actually crave it but if you do not enjoy doing it then that sub is not for you and it becomes your duty to insure the sub finds a DOM that suits her/his need
Wed Dec 8 7:30:52 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Just like it would be with a aprent and a child right LIM?
Wed Dec 8 7:31:17 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Damn dislexia is getting the better of Me. *sigh* Parent!
Wed Dec 8 7:32:40 1999
Lady Ambrosia: *feels like talking to a brick wall all of a sudden*
Wed Dec 8 7:33:26 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Ambrosia many make that distinction
some get nervous about that cause to some it smakes of child play or child molestation
Wed Dec 8 7:33:53 1999
Lady Ambrosia: *also feels like going to do the rest of Her laundry* night E/everyone. *ss*
Wed Dec 8 7:34:55 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Well in a way yeah I could think of it like that.
Wed Dec 8 7:35:32 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Ambrosia sorry My server decided to load a 300bits a sec
Wed Dec 8 7:35:36 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Off to do Her bidding. I luvs ya's.
Wed Dec 8 7:36:20 1999
Lady Ambrosia: It is alright I really must go though. Do you have icq? If you do My number is 24655768
Wed Dec 8 7:37:17 1999
lady tiffany: LES IS MORE ~warm smile~... that i believe i can handle...Sir... if my ISP will cooperate and stop disconnecting me..
Zenntauria Greetings...
Wed Dec 8 7:37:34 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Ambrosia you will notice in various rooms
many subbies act like childern in many ways to attract a DOM
for they have the idea that is the way they should be
in ways it is fun
in ways it is annoying
but each DOM decides what to allow and what not to allow around them
Wed Dec 8 7:37:46 1999
Norse: I have knows of Dommes that switch and because of that know what a dom likes and is able to offer it as a sub...
Wed Dec 8 7:39:05 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Norse you have icq don't you?
Wed Dec 8 7:40:03 1999
Norse: and..LIM...there are subs that act that way because it enhances there role play...acting like a child and being cared for by a Dom.
Wed Dec 8 7:40:37 1999
Norse: LA...no..sorry *smile* behind a firewall. not allowed. *smile*
Wed Dec 8 7:41:09 1999
Lady Ambrosia: Well maybe someday. *ss* Have a good night A/all. I wish I could stay but I can't!
Wed Dec 8 7:42:06 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Norse that works some times
but I have seen several that made great subbies
but totally clueless DOMs
some people just were not ment to
which brings Me to My sec statement
a subbie should look at how a DOM behaves with other subbies to see if that DOM fits what they need
Wed Dec 8 7:43:44 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Norse
I personally find it annoying
I prefer a grown woman submiting to ME
a child seeking a father/mother image gets old for ME really fast
Wed Dec 8 7:44:18 1999
Zenntauria: ^smiles at tiffie^ hello..
^listens to the conversation^..not all subs act as children...I for instance, am a Switch...and find it annoying and at times improper when another acts like that...but I suppose it alwo does depend on the circumstances AND on the prefferance of the Dom/me in control ^smiles^
Wed Dec 8 7:45:11 1999
Zenntauria: ^smiles at LIM^...a grown woman, yes...but I try to be tolerant of Aall...^grins^
Wed Dec 8 7:46:25 1999
lady tiffany: what about submissives... who are looking for Dominants... but only to a certain extent?.... not 24/7.... if a label is needed... perhaps Top would be a more accurate one...
Wed Dec 8 7:47:23 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Zenntauria
I also am a switch so watching how others act sometimes Makes ME shake My head
Wed Dec 8 7:49:22 1999
LES IS MORE(m): tiff many do not want a 24/7 relationship
most could not live it
a day or so sort of fills the needs for while
a week to them gets frustration personified
Wed Dec 8 7:50:33 1999
LES IS MORE(m): tiff there is a lot of work envolved with DOMing a sub rt even part time
and few can or are willing to make the effort of mental control to do such
Wed Dec 8 7:51:01 1999
lady tiffany: antic like behavior doesn't make my head shake.... as i recognize the need of the fantasy of some that want to do the "you have been a bad lil boy now I am going to have to put you over my knee and spank you" in some...
but disrespectful behavior... glaring at a dominant... loss of temper... gossiping... those are things that make my head shake..
Wed Dec 8 7:51:02 1999
Zenntauria: ^laughs soflty at LIM, listening^
Wed Dec 8 7:53:01 1999
Zenntauria: well obvioulsy tiff ^grins^...the whole "Who's your Daddy" ordeal can be quite attractive...but yes, I personally was reffering to the whining, trowing tantrums like a small child only to gain attention..then you know something is not right...unless as I said..that is another "kinck" of sorts that both of Tthem enjoy ^polite smile^
Wed Dec 8 7:53:52 1999
LES IS MORE(m): which brings ME to My third and finial statement of the night
the number one warning flag of a dangerous DOM
he/she wants to talk to you alone
he/she wants to be private
he/she wants no one to know they and you are playing
Wed Dec 8 7:54:59 1999
lady tiffany: Zenntauria... YES... exactly... temper tantrums... little bitchy hissy fits between one and another sub... over a Dom.. publicly in a room it doesn't belong in.... those things... make me wonder...how on earth...some function in r/t life..
Wed Dec 8 7:55:30 1999
Zenntauria: what is wrong with getting to know eachother privately
and alone?...
Wed Dec 8 7:56:32 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Zenntauria
I treat those antics with the worst of all punishments
the first time I tell them I do not appove and am disappointed in their behavior
the sec time I tell them the same but inform them I will have nothing to do with them untill they learn to behave
the third time I just cross them off My book
and move on
Wed Dec 8 7:57:10 1999
Norse: sorry gotta go RTI
Wed Dec 8 7:58:20 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Zenntauria
simple
is the predators way get them away from others so the sub does not know they are not with a true DOM
just some one who thinks abuse is BDSM
Wed Dec 8 7:59:01 1999
Zenntauria: a "no-bulshit-man" I see...^smiles^
Wed Dec 8 8:00:33 1999
Zenntauria: I see.
Wed Dec 8 8:03:23 1999
lady tiffany: i wouldn't be as concerned v/t... with One who wished to speak privately with me.... but if He/She didn't want others knowing we were speaking.... that would be a huge red flag...
Wed Dec 8 8:03:55 1999
LES IS MORE(m): Zenntauria openly going in private talk when meeting a subbie in a public place repeatly so others see you are doing so is very good
getting the subbie to leave the public place and meet privatelly where no one sees you with them is another ball game all together
being honest and open about your intrests is good
when a DOM want the intrests hidden
danger
danger
Wed Dec 8 8:05:22 1999
LES IS MORE(m): yepper tiff
tis ten
and I have to be off
it was pleasent talking to you A/all night for now
Wed Dec 8 8:05:48 1999
~ecstasy~: ~sneaking in~
Wed Dec 8 8:07:03 1999
LES IS MORE(m): hello ecstasy
and bye
smile
Wed Dec 8 8:07:38 1999
lady tiffany: LES IS MORE... i would agree... i am amazed... at how people will trust someone they don't really know r/t.... i have heard of submissives meeting Dominants online... knowing them only a few months...and agreeing to meet them privately in hotel rooms.... proffessing love.. blablabla...
i would think minus that "love".. meeting a Dom for example through a munch... or dungeon... it would be just as risky...
Wed Dec 8 8:07:56 1999
LES IS MORE(m): this discussion has been copied and will be sent to CC to include with the other discussions
night A/all
Wed Dec 8 8:08:11 1999
~ecstasy~: LES IS MORE sorry i missed the discussion..i thought it went until 11..
Wed Dec 8 8:08:29 1999
lady tiffany: Good night Sir..
Hello ecstasy... *s*
Wed Dec 8 8:09:50 1999
~ecstasy~: hello lady tiffany ~smiles~
Wed Dec 8 8:09:52 1999
lady tiffany: well... i think i shall move to the LC... *s*
bye
Wed Dec 8 8:10:45 1999
Zenntauria: thank You LIM ^smiles^..
good night Aall.
Wed Dec 8 8:13:50 1999
LES IS MORE(m): O tif there is no safer place to meet a DOM then in a public dungeon or a munch
any one getting out of line gets evicted
sometimes not very gently
the safest place to play the first time is a public dungeon
you have monitors watching to insure safe sane concensual
Wed Dec 8 8:15:26 1999
LES IS MORE(m): hopping tiff got my message
Wed Dec 8 8:19:49 1999
~ecstasy~: .
Wed Dec 8 8:33:08 1999
elidan: hello
Wed Dec 8 8:34:02 1999
elidan: I think play parties are fairly safe where you have friends present
Wed Dec 8 8:35:07 1999
elidan: or munches
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