From: Eve Thorp  <shrinkingeve@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 9:55am
Subject: Re: re:

I am still getting these and it appears this is from the first group.

Eve
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AngelPie_Mouse 
  To: CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [CFC_EXPERIMENTAL] re:


  The only setting the scoundrel had access to affecting you personally was
  your access preference, e.g.: "no mail," "special announcements," "daily
  digest," "individual mail."  The HTML switch is only in your personal
  preferences although I should say that I have that switched it off in my
  personal options as I prefer text only particularly now with the sircam
  virus on the lose (not sure it will help, but who knows).

  The "no email" setting replaced the "web only access" setting some time ago,
  when they installed the "special announcement" feature which only owners and
  moderators may use.  It gives the individual member the option of turning
  off everything and only receiving communication when they enter the group
  website.  The moderator may override this choice as you saw from the
  numerous complaints the past couple days, but does so at the risk of causing
  member ire.  At present, we would prefer not to continue to anger everyone.

  Postings will continue on CFC_Experimental, the closed version, for as long
  as members choose to remain or until we are satisfied that the group no
  longer functions.  However, all members were switched today to "no email" to
  prevent further upset.  We will not be changing that again and only did so
  to communicate the reason for creating CFC_Experimental2 and ask members to
  remove themselves from the old group and join the new one.  It did cause
  some confusion at the outset which we hope we have dispelled.  But, to
  answer question, the point was that while you can continue to interact
  online with the group, you will receive no more e-mails from the group
  unless you alter your settings personally.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "April" <musicalapril@h...>
  To: <CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:23 AM
  Subject: [CFC_EXPERIMENTAL] re:


  > grrr. I sent the following message through my e-mail and it suddenly
  > won't allow me to do so because it is html instead oftext only . it
  > use to work. is this a setting they messed with as well?
  > that is dumb that there is even a setting that makes the owners
  > unable to unsubscribe a member. 2nd of all why can't you communicate
  > with us if we have it set to no mail? you should be able to atleast e-
  > mail the club members specifically.
  >
  > since it does list our e-mail address along side it. and we can
  > communicate through the group rather than e-mail am I not correct?
  >
  > no worries i am not going to leave the group for this incident. it
  > isn't your fault this happened. and I feel sorry for you,roger, and
  > misty a great deal!  if there is anything i can do to help let me
  > know.
  >
  > hugs!!
  >
  > April musicalapril@h...
  >
  > p.s. I just set the setting to no mail and received this by mail...
  > does this mean my setting has already changed? or did u change mine
  > to individual e-mail to make sure I received this?
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  > CFC_EXPERIMENTAL-unsubscribe@egroups.com
  >
  >
  >
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From: Angel-Pie Mouse  <AngelPie_Mouse@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:55am
Subject: Still Getting Messages

I am not sure why this is happening but the access settings had been 
altered in the group again.  I've changed them back to "No Email" and 
will continue to watch for someone making the switch.

From: Kellie  <wingss2fly@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:18pm
Subject: My Question for this board

Is, should we all just pull off of this one?

Kellie

From: Ruhdwulf  <heartofthesky@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Two Groups... (A Learning Experience)

Thanks Angel-Pie Mouse, Misty Bunny, and Nowaywins.

You guys are handling this situation admirably. I'm
sorry that it happened, but I suppose it's, as you
say, a learning experience.

I also regret the anger directed at the founders. I
understood immediately that this was not in your
control or of your making. I appreciate all the work
you guys have done. Hang in there and know that it is
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike



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From: Ann Bilbrey  <gscritter@home.com>
Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 2:26am
Subject: Re: Two Groups... (A Learning Experience)

hey angel-pie mouse, don't worry we are all not mad.  i've gotten too much
good info from you all to get mad over something this little.

good luck with the transfer!

ann

> From: "Angel-Pie Mouse" <AngelPie_Mouse@y...>
> Reply-To: CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:59:10 -0000
> To: CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CFC_EXPERIMENTAL] Two Groups...  (A Learning Experience)
> 
> Actually, you might have been getting the messages from two groups:
> CFC_Experimental and CFC_Experimental2.
> 
> Why?  I cannot rightly say we were hacked because the person who
> destroyed CFC_Experimental didn't need any special invitation or
> skills to do what they did.  Our first inkling that something was
> wrong came on Thursday morning; one of the people who was member of
> the group had, the night before, switched all the members in the group
> to "no email" access.  We had preferred to think it was an accident.
> The button for saving a change to one's personal settings is just
> below the one that changes the entire group.  However, he/she had
> followed this up by changing the "Settings/Membership" to "no one may
> access," meaning we cannot kick or remove anyone, and then made the
> group "private."  At that time, we switched the members to "daily
> digest" and wrote you all.  We had at first thought that the access
> switch had been the extent of the tampering and did not notice the
> other two changes.  As I said, we thought it was an accident.
> 
> It was not and accident.  As you know, the nature of CFC_Experimental
> is to be open to everyone.  We might have been able to live without
> the controls to delete members, but having been turned "private" was
> the major defect we could not overcome.  It is irreversible. Thus,
> yesterday morning, we sent out a notice to all members that we had
> created CFC_Experimental2.  In order to send this notice, we had to
> switch all access temporarily to one that would allow mail.  We are
> sorry if this caused excessive mail to member mailboxes but it was the
> only way of communicating with you all quickly.
> 
> We followed this up by inviting as many of you as was possible to join
> CFC_Experimental2, where we hoped we could resume something
> approaching normal operations once more.  It saddens us greatly that
> so many of you approach this incident with anger directed at the
> group.  We do understand, however, that many of you do not know what
> happened and, therefore, only appreciate the personal inconvenience
> albeit a temporary one.
> 
> Please know we cannot remove or unsubscribe anyone because we are
> locked out of these settings.  Please know that we cannot communicate
> with you at all if your access is "no email."  We are ourselves
> learning as we go here, but we do understand one thing completely, if
> you choose to quit us over this incident then the person who caused
> this damage has succeeded at what they set out to do.  It is as simple
> as that.
> 
> We will be removing as many of the previous posts that provided
> members with "how-to" information as possible and filing them in the
> FAQ Folder in Files in CFC_Experimental2 for the next several days.
> While we perform this activity, CFC_Experimental will remain open for
> current member use although for web access or "no mail" only.  This
> should be the last communication you receive from CFC_Experimental.
> Please join CFC_Experimental2.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> CFC_Founders
> 
> Yahoo! Club Founders' Club
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/clubfoundersclub
> http://www.geocities.com/clubfoundersclub
> CFC_Experimental2
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2
> Yahoo! Group of Groups
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yahoo_group_of_groups
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> CFC_EXPERIMENTAL-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

From: Melissa  <krazygrrl9@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 8:03am
Subject: Oddity in my preferences

I have been receiving individual emails from the group, when my 
profile specifically had the "no email, read messages at the site" 
(not exact) checked.  I have modified it to receive a daily digest, 
and will let you know if the change is successful.

Krazygrrl

From: Angel-Pie Mouse  <AngelPie_Mouse@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Oddity in my preferences

--- In CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@y..., "Melissa" <krazygrrl9@y...> wrote:
> I have been receiving individual emails from the group, when my 
> profile specifically had the "no email, read messages at the site" 
> (not exact) checked.  I have modified it to receive a daily digest, 
> and will let you know if the change is successful.
> 
> Krazygrrl

We've been going through some crazy times the past few days because 
some scoundrel to whom we gave moderator privilege used it to wreck 
the club.  Your "no email" setting, for example, may have been changed 
by NOWAYWINS or I for a time because this person had switched everyone 
to "no email" and we frankly did not know who wanted it that way and 
who didn't. 

"No email" means no email, you receive nothing from the group 
whatsoever.  In order to communicate with all the members that we had 
been hacked so-to-speak, we had to switch everyone to a regular mail 
setting temporarily.  During that time, a few posts the message board 
in response to our notices sort of snuck through the super-highway 
size gap we created.  Oops.

I hope you did receive notice that we are starting over again in a new 
group called CFC_Experimental2 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2) Among other things, 
the person who wrecked the group made us "private" (join by invitation 
only), which is irreversible and definitely not a desirable state for 
the character of this group.  He also made it impossible for us to ban 
or alter membership.

I know it is a pain in the butt, however, could you please join 
CFC_Experimental2 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2) 
and post your inquiries there?

From: Angel-Pie Mouse  <AngelPie_Mouse@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: Re: My Question for this board

--- In CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@y..., "Kellie" <wingss2fly@y...> wrote:
> Is, should we all just pull off of this one?
> 
> Kellie

I hate to say it, but yes.  Although I really shouldn't speak for 
him, it will be a lot easier on NOWAYWINS to follow posts and 
inquiries on one CFC_Experimental board only.  Please don't disappear 
on us though.  Join CFC_Experimental2 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2)

From: Kellie  <wingss2fly@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:58pm
Subject: I am going to stick by ya'll on #2

Okay,

Here goes, this will be my last post for CFC #1....I will see ya all 
on CFC #2 from now on

Kellie
wingss2fly@y...

From: April  <musicalapril@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 7:16am
Subject: shelvira

your group looked truly cute! how come you denied me membership to 
your group?
April musicalapril@h...

From: AngelPie_Mouse  <AngelPie_Mouse@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 8:39am
Subject: Re: Shelvira and How to Get Your Star

Hi April and all!

I don't know that you were denied, April.  I do know that when we were
masacred last
week, the perpetrator made CFC_Experimental private (by invitation only).
It was for
this reason that we created the group CFC_Experimental2.  However, you were
already
a member of the original group, so your membership should not have been
affected unless
you for some reason removed yourself and attempted to rejoin.

Actually, we would prefer it if subscribers did leave CFC_Experimental and
rejoin
CFC_Experimental2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2  It will
be much
easier to keep up with the message board properly without the name confusion
(you can
see just from this comment how very confusing it can be). We are keeping the
original
open at this point for the benefit of subscribers who haven't yet gotten the
word and in
order to copy out the important posts.

The second part of this problem is that the person who wrecked the original
group was using
an anonymous ID.  We had no information on who he was, where he came from.
He never
posted in the group, never asked any questions.  He merely waited until he
was granted
access as a moderator and then messed us up.  We realized that our openness
was our
downfall, that we at least have to have some idea that the member is a
founder or has
administrative status in a club or group before we give that yellow star.
Checking these
credentials out however does take a little time and NOWAYWINS does have a
life
(full time job, two-year-old son, and a baby due in September).

He announced Tuesday that he should begin promoting members of
CFC_Experimental2
this coming weekend.  We've tied that promotion to an e-mail you send him
stating your
club/group name and address.  If you are already a member of
CFC_Experimental2, write
him at CFC_Founders@y... with the words "CFC_E2: Moderator Status
Request"
in  the subject line.  We get a lot of mail to that account and it makes it
a lot faster if with that
reference.  If you are not a member there--and I don't believe you
are--please join and
send the email mentioned.

I hope that this precaution and request make sense.  I plan on posting this
message to
CFC_Experimental2 as well (let's see if this works).

AngelPie_Mouse
Yahoo! Club Founders' Club
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/clubfoundersclub
http://www.geocities.com/clubfoundersclub
CFC_Experimental2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfc_experimental2
Yahoo! Group of Groups
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yahoo_group_of_groups



> your group looked truly cute! how come you denied me membership to
> your group?
> April musicalapril@h...

From: arjankella@yahoo.com
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 8:51am
Subject: Re: CFC_E/CFC_E2

Dear Sir,
     I was worried where this group has been lost, when I searched 
for this group (CFC_EXP) ,which I had placed in my favourities and 
was not succesful to find it on 27th July,(for some help in my yahoo 
group "maheshwarinetclub" ).
     I have little experience in Internet. Your group is helpful for 
new persons like me. But, such great things should not be left in 
hands of "un-identified" persons, who can damage such struggle in 
minutes!. You have done good that you are not making "moderators" to 
all subscribers, in your new "CFC_EXPERIMENTAL2"group!!I think, still 
more reservations be made for promotion of a member subscriber to 
status of "moderator".As had to get help from another yahoo club 
after becoming its member (ccugpconline), during your group absece on 
27th July.
      I usually open my mail once a week and found a lot of mail  
(messeges)on today from CFC_EXPERIMENTAL2 group. How can I stop 
these? 
  Arjan Kumar Kella
arjankella@y...
====================================================================
--- In CFC_EXPERIMENTAL@y..., "ROGER " <nowaywins@y...> wrote:
> Hello everyone. As you have read, we have had a major setback in 
CFC_E. In the early hours of July 26 a member of CFC_E went thru the
 options and either disabled, closed or changed almost all the 
 settings including deleting some files before deleting themself 
from  the group. I tried to reset some of the options back to a 
default setting but there was to much damage done. The Group as it 
stands now is an invite only group. We started a second Group 
(CFC_E2) and have transfered the membership to CFC_E2. Again your 
settings would not have transfered over. Things are a bit of a mess 
while AngelPie and i do damage control, copy data and configure the 
new Group. We are also looking into whom may have done this and how. 
Needles to say we both both hours behind in our regular computer 
activities and sorry to say in our explanation to you. I would like 
to thank mistybunny for the postings that she did in explaining what 
was going on. This is the first time i have visited any of my 
Clubs/Groups in about 12 hours. We hope to have things settled down 
in the next day or so. We ask that you check your settings in either 
Group to ensure they are to your likeing. For those of you who may 
not have been transfered or need the new url CFC_E2 can be found at 
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CFC_EXPERIMENTAL2.
    roger

From: sharra32@yahoo.com
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:57am
Subject: Question

how can i change it so when i post my email addy doesn't show up but 
just a name?

From: Alska (£övë)  <blondi_26_oh@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:55pm
Subject: HELP!!! :(

Can someone help with "Wrap message text"?

What's it mean if checked, what's it mean if not checked? 


I'm not liking groups, too confusing :(


Alska Du

From: NOWAYWINS  <nowaywins@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Question

----- Original Message ----- 
From: sharra32@y... 

how can i change it so when i post my email addy doesn't show up but  just a name?

that depends on how you send your mail. If you post from the group website then you need to edit your profile and add a name there, if you are using a mail program like Outllok Express then you need to have a 'display name' set up for the acct, which is what i am using to reply to your mail. If i had answered from the web site, it would have displayed 'Roger'
            roger



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