Babble v1 99

babble-digest Sunday, December 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 099

In this issue:
Re: jpeg slideshow
Graphics safe area
Re:jpeg slide show
Software Reviews
PEI's "HTML Calculator"
Excellent site planning in DTP program
Re: Software Reviews
Re: Software Reviews
Re: Software Reviews
JavaScript Slide Show
Re: JavaScript Slide Show
Does this list still work?
freehand 7

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:15:58 +0800
From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
Subject: Re: jpeg slideshow

Matthew,

There is a way to do it without increasing the file size (in MSIE 4 for PC
only at present). Some examples are at:

http://heaven.com.my/playtime/effects/filters.html
http://heaven.com.my/playtime/effects/transitions.html

However, it does depend on what your target audience is (I doubt that it is
limited to those with MSIE 4 users) however, it does do what you asked, I
think.

For the slide show there's one at:

http://www.celcom.com.my/ourcompany/newlook.html

Just take the tour. To view the source you can type this in the URL

view-source:http://www.celcom.com.my/ourcompany/tour.html

This method was adopted rather than <META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh"
CONTENT="time" URL="URL"> since using JavaScript waits ensures that the
page has finished loading before the next "slide" is used.

HTHs,

Gary.

At 03:58 PM 12/27/97 +1030, you wrote:
>matthew nash wrote:
>
>> now i want to animate them -- either as a slide show, or as fade
>> in/out
>> transitions. in my experiments with gifbuilder, the fades severely
>> increase the size of the file, so, frankly, i'm perfectly happy with
>> the
>> slide show method. trouble is, gifbuilder turns my jpegs back into
>> gifs,
>> and the images look rotted out again.
>
>you can't do this with gif builder because (I believe) that the program
>creates animated gif's
>there is no such thing as an animated jpeg
>
>But if you want to make a slide show you could do it with Java or
>Javascript
>I'd recommend going with Javascript
>How do you do it??
>check out my javascript pages at
>http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/javascript.html
>or more specifically my example of a javascript slide show of jpeg
>images at http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/html/slide_eg.html
>and my explanation of how to do it at
>http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/html/slide_eg.html
>
>sorry the sites a little messy, it's being redeveloped, but you
>shouldn't have too much trouble following it
>
>any problems email me doull@box.net.au
>
>---------------------------------
>david doull
>
>email: doull@box.net.au
>web: http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:55:34 -0800
From: BobNancy <bobnancy@jps.net>
Subject: Graphics safe area

Hi all,

you may want to take a look at the page in the Yale site design guide
called "Graphics Safe Area" at

http://info.med.yale.edu/caim/manual/pages/safe_area.html

which gives a pretty good description of the "safe area". They suggest
595-535 pixels in width and 295 pixels high. There are also some good
graphics which can be used as a background when designing a page.

The problem with many sites is that the table width is set >600 pixels
which will cause a horizontal scroll on a 640 resolution screen. The
vertical scroller takes about 20 pixels and the two borders take about 5
pixels each, leaving only 610. You need to allocate space for the window
borders in the design since most unversed users are unaware that the window
can be maximized to eliminate them. Finally you need to decrease the table
width by another 15 pixels since the page does not load at 0,0 (the
absolute upper left corner) but somewhere else, usually 7 to 15 pixels to
the right. You *can* force the left margin to zero in IE 3 and 4 and NN 4
by using the leftmargin and marginwidth params (respectively) in the body
tag but NN3 and other browsers would still load the page somewhere else.
Thus it is better to simply make the page a little narrower. I usually try
to stay below 575, preferably 560 to allow a little white space in the
right margin.

bob lathe
Bob & Nancy's Services
http://www.bobnancy.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 97 06:56:32 -0700
From: Andy Meng <ameng@datamade.com>
Subject: Re:jpeg slide show

On 12/27/97 2:00 AM, wrote:

>1. how to keep jpegs jpegs in gifbuilder?
>2. know of another simple animation program that will handle jpegs?
>3. offer me encouragement or (dis) to try working with one of the java
>applets (slideshow, imageshow, dynamic billboard)?
>
>keep in mind, i'm a java virgin and definitely *not* tech oriented
>(although i seem to be capable enough to have gotten myself this far --
>which i take mostly to mean that i know enough only to get myself into a
>heap of trouble).

Currently there is no way to animate jpegs the way you can animate gifs.

Here's a VERY SIMPLE solution.

create a single page for each graphic you want to rotate through. In the
<HEAD> of each page use the following <META> tag:

This will cause the file "next_page01.html" to automatically load 5
seconds after the enclosing page loads. You can change the CONTENT=""
attribute - it controls the delay in seconds before loading the next
page.

On next_page01.html, put another Refresh tag to go to next_page02.html.
Keep doing this until you've cycled through all of your pages. When you
get to the last page simply do a refresh tag back to the original one.
This will loop infinitely.

Good luck,

Andy

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:43:32 -0600
From: Protocol Experts <Protocol-Experts@mindspring.com>
Subject: Software Reviews

At 10:16 AM 12/23/97 -0500, Steven Champeon wrote:

>Or HomeSite, or HAHTSite, or pretty much anything else. FrontPage is
>a piece of trash. You'd be better off (and you'd know more about what
>is actually in your code) if you used Notepad.exe. :)
>

I appreciate useful commentaries and software analysis from informed
parties, as much as the next person. If you are going to give a software
review, please back it up with some reasons for your conclusion. It helps
those of us that choose not to blindly follow the software gods to make
sound decisions regarding the choice to use a particular program. Now this
would be assuming that you wished to be helpful, and were not just out to
trash a product for thrills, or due to your inability to use it.

Laura Hansen
(who is very interested in software reviews that are supported by fact or
experience)
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:10:48 -0500
From: "David R. Israel" <davidi@mail.wizard.net>
Subject: PEI's "HTML Calculator"

Greetings,

as I'm new to the list, perhaps this has already been bandied about,
but in any case I just now stumbled onto PEI Magazine online
http://www.peimag.com/ (that's for PHOTO>Electronic Imaging), and was
interested to discover their little "HTML Calculator" page
http://www.peimag.com/rgbhex.htm

This offers an instant screen-view of any RGB numbers combo one cares
to key in. The associated article discussing the technology
http://www.peimag.com/hextale.htm
begins on this jaunty journalese note:
<< "If we can send a man to the moon," the saying goes, "why can't we
find a simple way to find the hexadecimal code for burnt sienna?"

Chalk up another great accomplishment for humankind, as
PHOTO>Electronic Imaging magazine's Burnt Sienna SuperConverter
combines the power of molecular fission computing with the ease-of-use
of a sliding screen door.

Practical yet entertaining, this engaging device is the brainchild of
an international team of computing experts, led by the world-renowned
mathematician, horticulturist and raconteur, Dr. Horace Farfel. Under
Dr. Farfel's direction, a dozen machines from around the world are
linked to process requests at 105-trigahertz and provide instant
responses to the question, "What the hex is the code for this
color?!" . . . [etc.] >>

best,
d.i.

david raphael israel
washington, d c
davidi@mail.wizard.net
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:05:32 EST
From: Ejtxyz <Ejtxyz@aol.com>
Subject: Excellent site planning in DTP program

Regarding old thread, I have Serif Page Plus 5.0 which has a web publishing
mode. Background tiles are displayed, color schemes can be preset for links,
everything can displayed be moved around as in any DTP program and then you
can publish it to html and send it to the web in one click. It generates
complicated tables where necessary to maintain object positions anywhere on
the page, converts some text to graphics where needed to maintain odd sizes or
fonts, maintains hyperlinks, and so forth. I just got it so cant show you
anything, but it is a pretty impressive product. I have been using earlier
versions for DTP and love the ease of use and low price (under $100 usually).
Go to the site: www.serif.com for more info and ordering. Unfortuately it is
not in many stores. Great program.

I also just bought Corel Draw 8, which claims it can do wysywig conversions to
html, letting you pick which text elements are converted to graphics, but I
haven't learned much about it yet. You can use upgrade version if you have
almost anything Corel makes, including WordPerfect, Ventura and so on.

Eric
ejtxyz@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:13:42 -0500
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo@hesketh.com>
Subject: Re: Software Reviews

At 08:43 AM 12/27/97 -0600, Protocol Experts graced us with:
> At 10:16 AM 12/23/97 -0500, Steven Champeon wrote:
>
> >Or HomeSite, or HAHTSite, or pretty much anything else. FrontPage is
> >a piece of trash. You'd be better off (and you'd know more about what
> >is actually in your code) if you used Notepad.exe. :)
> >
>
> I appreciate useful commentaries and software analysis from informed
> parties, as much as the next person. If you are going to give a software
> review, please back it up with some reasons for your conclusion. It helps
> those of us that choose not to blindly follow the software gods to make
> sound decisions regarding the choice to use a particular program. Now this
> would be assuming that you wished to be helpful, and were not just out to
> trash a product for thrills, or due to your inability to use it.

Dear Protocol Experts:

I do not consider the above to be or have been a software review. It was a
statement of opinion regarding the worthlessness of the design and general
utility of FrontPage. I am sorry that my opinions do not matter to you, and
I understand the desire to understand why some software is better or worse
than others, and I commend this desire. However, my point above was simply
that to use an easy, idiot-proof HTML editor is akin to driving a car
blindfolded and steering by listening to the radio. Perhaps I did not make
my point clearly enough, and for that I apologize.

I've been an outspoken critic of HTML Editors for Idiots for a long time.
Some of my criticisms are documented at my site, a jaundiced eye, and others
are shared with my list and on other lists. I hate boring people with what
are essentially self-promotional blurbs, so I just speak my mind instead,
and my mind in this instance happens to believe that FrontPage sucks.

Thanks for your time,
Steve

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:21:06 +0100
From: "Slobodan Markovic" <twiddle@eunet.yu>
Subject: Re: Software Reviews

>>Or HomeSite, or HAHTSite, or pretty much anything else. FrontPage is
>>a piece of trash. You'd be better off (and you'd know more about what
>>is actually in your code) if you used Notepad.exe. :)

>If you are going to give a software review, please back it up with some
>reasons for your conclusion.

Making Web Pages with a text editor (even if it supports macros,
shortcuts, <tag> emphasizing, etc.) is a great way for wasting
your time and nerves.

I prefer FrontPage because I can see how the page will look at
the time I'm still creating it (with an acceptable level of accuracy).
This leaves me some extra time for experimenting with various color
schemes and page layouts. With FrontPage I can create many pages
based on a template or make minor changes to an existing page without
cutting my way trough a bunch of HTML code (this especially helps
when tables are involved in page design). The REALLY bad side of
FrontPage is HTML code it generates. It's really messy and extremely
unreadable.

If someone could recommend me a program that has at least 80% of
FrontPage's layout abilities, but still generates well structured
HTML code, my FrontPage would become history.

Greetings,

Slobodan Markovic
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E-Mail: twiddle@eunet.yu

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:00:13 +0800
From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
Subject: Re: Software Reviews

> I prefer FrontPage because I can see how the page will look at
> the time I'm still creating it (with an acceptable level of accuracy).
> This leaves me some extra time for experimenting with various color
> schemes and page layouts. With FrontPage I can create many pages
> based on a template or make minor changes to an existing page without
> cutting my way trough a bunch of HTML code (this especially helps
> when tables are involved in page design). The REALLY bad side of
> FrontPage is HTML code it generates. It's really messy and extremely
> unreadable.
>
> If someone could recommend me a program that has at least 80% of
> FrontPage's layout abilities, but still generates well structured
> HTML code, my FrontPage would become history.
>
Well, it seems as though you use templates, so you go for a consistent
look and feel I assume. Okay, FP 98 is a bit better with the code (and
sometimes leaves the code you add alone), NetObjects Fusion has more
control but the code is very heavy; my favourite for WYSIWYG is still
Drumbeat, because it is the closest to WYSIWYG than any other that I have
tested - it relies on tables and invisible GIFs. As expected the code is
heavy.

As far as I'm concerned WYSIWYG editors are good for designers who are
experimenting with different colours etc. And then once the
design/interface et al. have been settled, code it yourself. Then I quite
like what the designers here do. They use Photoshop, in which they have a
main template that consists of an image of the browser's top and borders -
set to width/height restrictions where necessary). I look at it and tell
them whether or not it's possible, we think up different workarounds or
sometimes have to just give up. It's fun and frustrating - but we try not
to limit them too much, at the same time we want them to realise and
appreciate the limitations.

HTHs,

Gary.

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:22:15 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: JavaScript Slide Show

By popular demand I've put together a quick demo of a JavaScript slide
show. I've only tested it with NS 4 for WinNT4.0. The URL is:
http://www.serve.com/apg/babble/slideshow/

- - Porter

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WWW Developer http://www.serve.com/apg/

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:43:42 -0500
From: "Crowl" <artworks@ezo.net>
Subject: Re: JavaScript Slide Show

Hello,

I have another javascript slideshow to offer. It uses the image object in
javascript, so it only works in N3+ and IE4. You can see it on the
background page of the "Free Graphics" section of my site.

<http://www.artworks.net>

HTH,

D-i-g-i-t-a-l A-r-t-w-o-r-k-s
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<http://www.artworks.net>
<mailto://steve@artworks.net>

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 23:08:22 -0700
From: "Matt" <fergusons@codenet.net>
Subject: Does this list still work?

If this list is still up... somebody please email me so that I know and I
can sign up again. If not and somebody gets this please email me and tell
me that it's not up.

Thanks,
Matt Ferguson
fergusons@codenet.net
http://cefx.hypermart.net

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:26:30 +0200
From: sharon greenberg <msmatas@mail.aviv.k12.il>
Subject: freehand 7

hi all
i'm looking for the ultimate resource for freehand 7

sharon

mailto:msmatas@mail.aviv.k12.il

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