Babble v1 98

babble-digest Saturday, December 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 098

In this issue:
640*480
Re: 640x480.. or not?
Re: IE4 Mac/PC
Personal Homepages
jpeg slideshow
Re: jpeg slideshow
Re: jpeg slideshow

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:14:24 +0100
From: Dupuis multimedia <dupuis@dupuis.be>
Subject: 640*480

Le 25/12/97 10:00 , () a écrit:

>I think the safe number is 624 x 314 pixels -- at least that's what I picked
>up from David Siegel a long while back and we've been using.
Unifortunately,the width is less than 624.
I surf with two computers, one of them being a portable Macintosh On this screen, everything that is beyond 570 is hidden.
Patrick

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Date: 26 Dec 97 16:22:15 +0800
From: "Chris McLay, Eycon Studio" <chris@eycon.com.au>
Subject: Re: 640x480.. or not?

Recent testing on both (by us) on both Mac and Windows screens running
640x480 resulted in the top of a page being 580x300. This allows for
browser margins, window borders, vertical scroll bar, and default 'bars' in
both Netscape and Explorer. We checked versions 2.x through 4.x. Anything
wider results in having to scroll horizontally to see the whole page in
many setups.

Hope that helps,
Chris

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:20:12 +0800
From: Gary Sweeting <gary@neuronet.com.my>
Subject: Re: IE4 Mac/PC

At 12:37 PM 12/23/97 -0500, Jeffrey Zeldman wrote:
>>It looks exactly the same on both Netscape and IE 4.0 on the PC. (But =
>>what do you expect on the MAC anyway!?)
>
>I expect members of this list to refrain from snide sniping at other
>people's choice of operating systems. We are supposed to be professionals.
>And contrary to what you may believe, the web is not a Microsoft product.
>It is a cross-platform medium and meeting ground.
>

Is "PC" == "Microsoft product"?

Just stirring a little since I feel that double-standards may be in action
here - e.g. people have written about PC/WinTel prior to this with no
public redressing. I do think that the person who made the 'snide' remark
didn't see himself as some sort of hitman.

>I expect intelligence. If a company that makes an OS also makes a
>supposedly cross-platform web browser, and that browser misbehaves under
>any operating system but their own, that is either bad engineering or
>unsubtle salesmanship. In either case, an intelligent person will blame the
>browser, not the OS.

If we're going to be captious, I might also point out that as an
intelligent person I would rather attibute blame (and direct my complaints)
to the company that produced the browser, to blame the browser itself is
pretty useless - and only harms its sensibilities, no doubt making it more
unstable.

>If you wish to publicly rejoice in your choice of operating system, there
>are appropriate lists for that. This is not one of them.
>
>Have a swell day.
>
>Jeffrey

Gary

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:49:15 -0500
From: Jeffrey Zeldman <jeffrey@zeldman.com>
Subject: Personal Homepages

http://www.aimnet.com/~mijo/PHtoc.html

L. Michelle Johnson on the art of the personal homepage.

As opposed to the six-figure corporate website.
Not to mention the four and five figure sites some of us create.

A new thread for a new year?

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:01:09 -0500
From: matthew nash <choreo@inch.com>
Subject: jpeg slideshow

hi everyone.

first, let me thank everyone for responding to my queery about image prep
for my new site. they look great now, all jpegs, quite light, and all is
well with the world.

now i want to animate them -- either as a slide show, or as fade in/out
transitions. in my experiments with gifbuilder, the fades severely
increase the size of the file, so, frankly, i'm perfectly happy with the
slide show method. trouble is, gifbuilder turns my jpegs back into gifs,
and the images look rotted out again.

here's the question: does anyone know:

1. how to keep jpegs jpegs in gifbuilder?
2. know of another simple animation program that will handle jpegs?
3. offer me encouragement or (dis) to try working with one of the java
applets (slideshow, imageshow, dynamic billboard)?

keep in mind, i'm a java virgin and definitely *not* tech oriented
(although i seem to be capable enough to have gotten myself this far --
which i take mostly to mean that i know enough only to get myself into a
heap of trouble).

thanks again. happy holidays (not my favorite time of the year, but my
opinion doesn't count for everybody).

thanks again,

matthew
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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:11:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Porter Glendinning <ag@cen.com>
Subject: Re: jpeg slideshow

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, matthew nash wrote:
[snip]
> here's the question: does anyone know:
>
> 1. how to keep jpegs jpegs in gifbuilder?
> 2. know of another simple animation program that will handle jpegs?
> 3. offer me encouragement or (dis) to try working with one of the java
> applets (slideshow, imageshow, dynamic billboard)?

As of yet, there is no way to animate JPEGs the way you can animate GIFs,
so questions one and two are <PUN>out of the question.</PUN> Option three
is workable, but would probably turn out to be something of a pain in
the butt. (Feel free to provide feedback where I might be wrong here.)

If you can swing it so all the images are the same size, either by
cropping them to the same dimensions or padding with blank space that's
the same color as the background, then you can use JavaScript to run a
slide show fairly cleanly. If people would like, I could implement an
example of this and post an URL. Let me know off-list. (pglendinning@cen.com)

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:58:11 +1030
From: david doull <doull@box.net.au>
Subject: Re: jpeg slideshow

matthew nash wrote:

> now i want to animate them -- either as a slide show, or as fade
> in/out
> transitions. in my experiments with gifbuilder, the fades severely
> increase the size of the file, so, frankly, i'm perfectly happy with
> the
> slide show method. trouble is, gifbuilder turns my jpegs back into
> gifs,
> and the images look rotted out again.

you can't do this with gif builder because (I believe) that the program
creates animated gif's
there is no such thing as an animated jpeg

But if you want to make a slide show you could do it with Java or
Javascript
I'd recommend going with Javascript
How do you do it??
check out my javascript pages at
http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/javascript.html
or more specifically my example of a javascript slide show of jpeg
images at http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/html/slide_eg.html
and my explanation of how to do it at
http://www.satech.net.au/~doull/html/slide_eg.html

sorry the sites a little messy, it's being redeveloped, but you
shouldn't have too much trouble following it

any problems email me doull@box.net.au

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