 "Questions
& Answers"
Do you
have questions that you might be seeking an answer
to? Well this is the place to come and ask!
Yes slave girls of Gor, we are going to try to answer all
of the grand and wonderful questions, that
"we" as gorean slaves ask daily.
meara and kyna are here to help or at least try that is
and we hope you will be teaching us as well! We
want this not to be an opinion column, but a forum for
fact and fiction. The topic can be of anything you
wish, from which spoon to use when stirring a Master's
blackwine, to.. do we have a recipe for Gorean Chocolate
Chip Cookies? All questions will be answered within
the rule limitation. (yup rules!)
- No
personal bashing is allowed here, if you're
having problems with another slave or person
please go ask them not us.
- No
names via Masters/Mistresses/slaves....will be
mentioned in the answers.
- All
questions must be email to slavegirls@hotmail.com
by Saturday Night.
"This week's
questions"
- Question
1: Master has asked this slave a question
that she hasn't been able to answer, hope you
can help! Here it is: Why would another
Master have to ask this slaves Master for
permission before borrowing this slave? thank
you for any help you can give.
kyna has
considered this question for the past week. after some
serious thought, kyna has decided that it needs to be
answered in two parts. kyna will answer it first in the
book sense, providing quotes and reasons from the book,
then in real life sense.
first of
all, let's point out right off the bat, there was no such
thing as sexually transmitted diseases on the planet Gor.
this world, for the most part, was largely absent of such
unpleasantries as that. it certainly made sharing a slave
with another Man, or several other Men, less frightening
to the Master's health as well as the property's health.
in the
books, a Man seldom used another Man's property without
her being offered. now this is not taking into account
Tavern slaves, as they were available with the price of
paga. a preferred slave was almost never taken without
being offered, although a preferred slave, in the books
is often offered to the use of the Man's friends. an
example is found in a prior quote used in this column's
answer to the question of 'white silks';
- At
these times, Hassan, cross-legged, would
sometimes sit silently before his tent. We did
not then disturb him. Oddly enough he permitted
no one near him at such times but the collared
slave girl, Alyena. She alone, only female and
slave, would be beside him, lying beside him, her
head at his left knee. Sometimes he would, in
these times, stroke her hair, or touch the side
of her face, almost gently, almost as though her
throat were not encircled by a collar. Then,
after the stars would be high for an Ahn or so,
he would, suddenly, laughing, seize the girl by
the arms and throw her on her back on the mats,
thrust up her dress and rape her as the mere
slave she was. Then he would knot her skirt over
her head, confining her arms within it, and throw
her, she laughing, to his men, and to me, for our
sport.
- pg
170 Tribesmen of Gor
note that
it clearly shows that Hassan is the one to throw her to
His Men. nowhere does it say that one of His Men came up
and grabbed her, using her at His will. in yet another example, in Slave Girls of
Gor, the narrator discusses one Man asking for the use of
another's slave, especially when the Owner of the slave
is a guest in another Man's home;
- "Had
Thurnus requested me my master, in such a
situation would have granted me to him
immediately. Not to have done so would have been
inexcusably rude, a betrayal, a boorish breech of
hospitality and good manners."
- later
on the same page
- "Satisfied
then with the acknowledgment of this power, which
was rightfully his in this house, Thurnus neither
put me to his purposes, nor requested of my
master his permission to do so, a permission
which would have assuredly been promptly and
willingly tendered. Having thus certified my
master's recognition of his rights, he chose,
magnanimously and nobly, as is often done, not to
exercise them. I was, after all, my master's
property. In this simple manner these two strong
men had shown one another, in the Gorean mode,
respect. But Gorean males, I knew, in such
situations, not only respected one another, but
were often generous with one another. In the
feast to come tonight, Eta had warned me, there
would be a general exchange of slave girls, the
bond girls of the village being made available to
master's men, and the his own girls, among whom I
was one, being made available to the young lads
of the community."
- pages
142-143, Slave Girl of Gor
here we
see examples of what is thought to be 'proper' or
'respectful' in regards to using another Man's slave, His
property. and then there is
the reference to it being against the Codes to use a
Man's property without His permission;
- "
We took her without your permission," said
Bran Loort. "In this," said Thurnus,
"you have committed a breach of code."
"It does not matter to me," said Bran
Loort. "Neither a plow, nor a bosk, nor a
girl may one man take from another, saving with
the owner's saying of it," quoted Thurnus.
"I do not care," said Bran Loort.
"What is it, Bran Loort, that separates men
from sleen and larls?" asked Thurnus.
"I do not know," said Bran Loort.
"It is the codes," said Thurnus
- and
later, on pager 227, the conversation
continues;
- "Had
you asked of me my permission, Bran Loort,"
said Thurnus, indicating me with a gesture of his
head, "willingly and without thought,
gladly, would I have given you temporary master
rights over her." I lay in the dirt, my
hands bound behind my back, the rope on my neck,
watching. It was true what Thurnus had said. I
could have been loaned to Bran Loort, and would
have had to serve him as though he were my own
master. "But you did not ask my
permission," said Thurnus. "No,"
said Bran Loort, angrily, "I did not."
- and
later still, on page 228;
- "I
am disposed to be merciful, Bran Loort,"
said Thurnus, looking at me. "You may now
request my permission for what you have done to
this slave." "But," said Bran
Loort, "I do not request your
permission." "I must then call the
council," said Thurnus, "that we may
consider what is to be done with you."
so it
seems, with these examples, it is common for a Man to
either request permission from the Owner of the slave, or
for the Owner of the slave to offer His property for the
uses of the other Man.
that takes
care of the book sense. now we will move on to the talk
of real life. when kyna read this question last week, the
first thoughts that sprang to her mind were; "you
don't let someone use your sports car without
asking...you don't let someone ride your horse without
asking...why would a Master let a Man use His slave
without Him giving permission first...or having been
asked for the use of His property?" common sense
right? so kyna did a little searching, asked a few
questions of real life Masters she knows and listened to
some conversations being had by Masters about this
subject. the following is an excerpt from a conversation
we had about this subject;
*note*some
parts of this conversation have been paraphrased due to
the largely personal content. kyna has put forth the
parts that she found useful to this question's answer.
- (kyna)
why would a Man need permission from the slave's
Master to use His slave?
- (Master
1) What if he had a reason to restrict you, or
was planning something for you in which my use of
you would impede or even harm this
intention?
- (Masterofkyna)
Or...
- (Masterofkyna)
Would it not be like asking to borrow a man's
car?
- *
kyna smiles
- (Master
1) True. May I have the keys to kyna,
please?
- *
Master1 grins
- (Masterofkyna)
Would a man not "ask" to do such a
thing?
- *
kyna laughs softly...and vrooooomssss
- *
Masterofkyna smiles ... tosses them over
- (Master1)
Or anything of anothers property, exactly. It is
"polite", if we remember our Emily
Post. :)
- *
nairi suspects kyna will be well driven... and
hard!!
- *
Masterofkyna laughs
- *
kyna perks perks perks perks
- (Masterofkyna)
Watch her on the turns... she sways a lot
- *
nairi grins
- *
kyna grins impishly
- *
kyna wonders if it is then..basic respect for
another Man's property...respect that that Man
Owns that property ..like He would Own a car that
another Man would have to ask permission to
drive?
- (Masterofkyna)
I think that is what we just said :)
- (Master
1) Indeed, what if I broke you? Seriously, what
if I used you to carry some packages and you fell
and broke your arm. then your master found out,
he might be angry that you were disabled for a
bit, but you will heal. He might be peeved that
in my use of you, I caused the value of his
property to be diminished for a time. I admit,
this is more a merchant thing than anything, but
it is still true.
- (kyna)
kyna and nairi found a reference to it being
against the codes..but then..a girl wonders about
this questions logic in regards to real
life...kyna wonders how many Men would actually
not require permission from others to use their
slaves in real life.
- (Master1)
I will not, of course, discuss the codes with
you, girl.
- (kyna)
yes Master
- (Master1)
Are there men who might use my slaves without
asking me?
- (Master1)
Yes, there are. But those men, I would trust with
my life. Not something that one does
easily.
- (nairi)
nairi found reference.. from a slave's
perspective... on the risk of being slave raped
by strangers... as the 'price' a slave pays for
being beautiful and arousing...it is mentioned as
not uncommon to be used as a result
- (Masterofkyna)
If we are discussing the "real" sharing
of one's slave, the implications are VERY
different.
- (kyna)
rape on earth...taking the word literally is very
different...Master, you would not take kindly to
some strange Man grabbing kyna and using her in
the street, would you?
- (Masterofkyna)
kyna, I would not take kindly to any man using
you anywhere.
- (kyna)
yes Master
- (nairi)
does Master recall the slave who came into
(channel) the other night bragging of being a r/l
redsilk slave to be used by many?
- (Masterofkyna)
Yes, I remember
- (nairi)
nairi worries that if she is indeed what she says
she is, that we might read about her in the
obituaries.
- (Masterofkyna)
I think that ANY person who has multiple
partners, who are often used by even more
partners, is living dangerously.
- (Master1)
Not necessarily. If there was a circle of friends
whom one trusted implicitly, then sharing a girl
with them is not an unGorean thing to do. To do
so indiscriminately, however, in this society
with all of its ills, is stupid. Sex is a great
demystifier. It carries some heavy baggage as
well. while the fear of STD is there, moreso, it
is a fear of one being harmed emotionally that
keeps our circle of friends a small one.
- (Masterofkyna)
Of course it is not "unBookGorean", but
keeping in mind what you just said, I would think
it would have to be limited to a circle of
friends, that one KNEW did not venture out of for
sex.
- (Master1)
Agreed. Why would I lend my car to someone whom I
do not know?
- *
nairi recalls that there were no STD's on
Gor
- (Masterofkyna)Yeah...
you never know when someone will put regular
unleaded in your Ferrari
- (Master1)
exactly.
although
there was some joking around in this conversation, it did
bring up several very important points. first off, most
Men would not take it lightly if some stranger came up in
the street and raped their slave... and that in essence
is what could possibly happen. secondly, due to the fact
that we live on EARTH not Gor, where sexually transmitted
diseases are a very much real aspect of our lives, why
would a Master not wish to know the other Men who would
use His property? would He not wish them to be those that
He trusts implicitly, say even with His life? and not
only know them, but to have them show the proper respect
to Him by requesting the use of His property if He has
not offered. and of course there is the question of harm,
emotional and physical to a Man's property. if we speak
of real life, then of course, the only answer to this
question would have to be that permission, or at least a
prior agreement is a necessity! one does not loan out
their car to a stranger, and strangers who take another's
car and 'borrow' it on Earth...well, often they find
themselves in jail for car theft. point in case. kyna
begs everyone to be very careful. this is Earth and not
Gor and irc is not Gor either, it is a virtual world
where it can be very easy for a predator to hide their
true nature. predators and disease are a very real part
of our lives. think before you act please :)
- Question
2: As a slave, it is our desire to be as pleasing
as possible to Masters. As a slave, this girl has
poured her heart and soul into being as
creatively pleasing as possible. It is very
disheartening when a girl gets asked.. How much
to Rent you, slave.. or Lets go Alc.. we are here
to be pleasing... and a girl *loves* to be
pleasing. but is this how she will find a
Master.. by cybering with every Gorean Master who
only wants to rent her? is there a difference
between a slut and a whore?
nairi
thought on this question long and hard. She consulted
with kyna on an appropriate response as well. Finally
both slaves approached Master Bear- for his input on the
matter.
There is
no disputing that a slave desires to be pleasing to a
Master. In addition to absolute obedience, being pleasing
is one of the 'duties' of a slave. But a slave also has
to remember that she lives on Earth, not Gor. Master
Bear- states it emphatically with his words:
"IRC,
it should be stressed time and time again, is not
Gor."
The fact
that the medium of communication is IRC compounds the
situation. Master Bear- has addressed the issue of how to
deal with the HNG's of irc Gor at the following web
URL:
http://www2.1starnet.com/mharris/tavern/tavern/ask_bear.html.
He also adds this comment regarding the Masters of the
type referred to in the question; those who ask about
renting and alcoving:
"Were
we, as tavern management, able to see these losers
facetoface, few would get in."
Another
thing which can be found at the website above is a very
comprehensive list of things to keep in mind as a slave
travels Gor in search of a Master. Quite simply, a slave
on irc has to keep her wits about her and rely on her
instincts. Please read the words of Master Bear- on the
website. nairi could not explain what to keep in mind
when looking for a Master better than written at that
site.
In Slave
Girl of Gor, on page 137, there is something worth
mention, but nairi is repeats that the passage refers to
a slave of Gor, not one of earthly IRC:
"...though
I loved my apparently increasing beauty, and
desirability, and was incredibly thrilled with it, and my
new attractiveness, I was not unaware that it was
attended with risks. It was one thing to be raped by me
master's men, and quite another to know that the same
passions I aroused in them I would similarly inspire in
the breasts of complete strangers. I was not eager to be
slaveraped by strangers, which, Eta assured me, was a not
uncommon experience for a pretty slave."
The last
portion of the question, asking if there is a difference
between a whore and a slut is the simplest, yet hardest,
to answer. To again use the words of Master Bear- in a
paraphrased format, a whore will get paid for her
services, a slave receives no stipend for 'services
rendered'. A slave can only decide for herself what those
differences are as they pertain to herself and her
judgement.
- ~*~Beginning
of the year...things to think about~*~
- quotes,
quotes...and more quotes
- red
silks have more fun....!
- "To
be sure," I said, " 'white' in the
context of 'white-silk girl' tends less to
suggest purity and innocence to the Gorean than
ignorance and naivety, and a lack of experience.
'Red,' in the context of 'red-silk girl,' on the
other hand, connotes rather clearly, I think,
experience. One expects a red-silk girl, for
example, not only to be able to find her way
about the furs, but, subject to the whip, owned
and dominated, perhaps chained, to prove herself
a sensous treasure within them."
- page
205, Savages of Gor
- "She
is only white silk," said Lana. "Lana
is red silk. Let Lana please you."
- page
114, Captives of Gor
- the
nature of those ever so delicious Gorean Men...
- Gorean
men have a way of looking at a woman which is
like stripping them and putting them to their
feet. I felt naked. I put my hand to the thin
brown cloth, clutching it, as though to close it
more, but I only moved it more tightly about me
and higher upon my thighs. I felt, under his
gaze, that every detail of my body must be clear
to him. I shrank back.
- page
267, Slave Girl of Gor
- One
of the most initially frightening and disturbing
things to Earth women brought to Gor as slaves is
the way Gorean men look at them. They are not
used to being looked at as women, truly, with
appraisal, desire and ownership. This tends, in
the beginning, when they are still new to their
collars, to confuse and frighten them, but also,
of course, as it will continue to do, and even
more powerfully, to stimulate them.
- page
258, Savages of Gor
- intelligence
in a slave girl...
- I was
an ignorant and foolish girl. I would learn that
ignorance and foolishness are not long tolerated
in a girl such as I was to be on Gor.
- page
44-45, Slave Girl of Gor
- "Intelligent
bodies," he said, "are far more
responsive. Your very intelligence makes you the
more helplessly a slave." I clutched him.
"It pleases me to own intelligent girls,
such as you," he said. "Intelligent
girls make excellent slaves," he
observed.
- page
173, Slave Girl of Gor
- "Vella,"
said I, "is a highly intelligent, complex
woman." "Such make the best
slaves," said Ibn Saran. "True," I
said. Indeed, who would want to collar any other
sort of woman? To take the most brilliant, the
most imaginatie, the most beautiful women, and
put them at your feet, impassioned, helpless
slaves is victory.
- page
126-127, Tribesmen of Gor
- "Do
I train well, Master?" she asked.
"Yes," I said, "pretty slave. You
are an apt pupil, and you train well." She
snuggled against me. "It is a tribute to
your intelligence," I said. "Thank you,
Master," she said.
- page
202, Savages of Gor
- eye
to eye contact....
- Sometimes
in training, incidentally, or as discipline or
punishement, the slave is notpermitted to look
into theeyes of the master. Indeed, sometimes, in
training, she is not permitted to raise her eyes
above the belt of the trainer. Also, it must be
recognized that many salves often, and perhaps
all slaves sometimes, find it difficult to look
into the eyes of the master. He, after all, hold
total power over them and they fear to displease
him.
- page
258 later, same
subject, page 259
- But,
on the other hand, there is, on Gor, in circles
of mastery, no discouragement, commonly, of eye
contact between masters and slaves. Indeed, in
the deep and profound relationships of love and
bondage, such eye contact is usually welcomed and
encouraged. What can be understood of the glances
of masters and slaves by those who have been
unitedonly in lesser relationships? Too, to be
sure, from the practical point of view, it is
useful for a girl to be able to look into the
eyes of the master. In this way she may be able
to better read his moods, and desires, and,
accordingly, be able the better to serve him, in
the process perhaps saving herself a few cuffings
and beatings, such as might be garnered by the
less alert, more slothful, laxer girl.
- and
more still, on page 259
- From
the point of view of the master, too, not only is
it pleasant to look into the eyes of a slave, but
there are certain practical advantages attatched
to doing so. For example, one might, in her eyes,
read desire, and thus order her to perform and
act which she, even though a slave, might not
have dared to bg to perform...
- all
from Savages of Gor
kyna and
nairi everyone a safe and happy New Year. may 1998
realize all your dreams, bring you health, happiness and
prosperity. please be safe!v
- "Recipes"
- ~*~keeta{D}'s
Nikujaga~*~
- This
is a typical Japanese dish served at dinner. The
main ingredients are russet potatoes, onions, and
beef. The flavoring is based on soy sauce and
sugar, very common for a Japanese dish.
- Ingredients:
- 1
lb. russet potatoes, peeled and cut into 4 to
5 pieces each
- 1/3
lb. beef, sliced thin
- 2/3
lb. yellow onions, sliced (about 1/3 inch
wide)
- 1
tablespoon vegetable oil 400 cc water (about
1 1/2 cups)
- 3
tablespoons or more soy sauce
- 3
tablespoons or more brown sugar
- 2
tablespoons sake ( if you don't have sake,
you can use white wine)
- Directions:
- Prepare
vegetables; Heat a deep pan and add oil and beef.
'Saute" for a couple of minutes, then add
onion and potato. Continue "sauting"
for 3 minutes. Add water, soy sauce, brown sugar,
and sake. Bring to a simmer, half covered.
"Take" off any foam and cook for about
20 to 30 minutes until potatoes are done.
- Bon
appetit !
- "Quotes
of the Week!"
- "Too,
did she think her discipline would be relaxed
because someone might be interested in her? No!
It would be trebled!"
- -page
171, Players of Gor
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