QUOTE from Flipzi :

A report from ABCNEWS:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/apache_video_040109-1.html

Another report from www.globalresearch.ca:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/APA401A.html

SEE VIDEO:

http://www.geocities.com/strike_musangs/apache_kills.html

QUOTE from Jake Navarro :

This is an old video. This video was shown to us about a year ago during an FTX. The official US army stand was that these guys were setting up an ambush in a highway somewhere in Iraq. Found in the trucks were RPGs and various weapons. This is by no means a "new" video. Now whether one believes the US army version or "another" version is up to you. Regardless, what where those guys doing in the dark, on a highway, in Iraq at night?? If they had a broken down vehicle wouldnt they need their headlights on, at least? If youve used the AVS or PVS sights even on a black and white video you can tell there werent any street lamps. Those guys were operating without truck light either, suspicious...but thats just my opinion.

Cheers!

QUOTE from Flipzi :

Staying along the high-way doesn't necessarily mean that you are up to something clandestine. Being there at that unfortunate time of the night and situation could have just been coincidental.

The video didn't clearly tell that the persons on the ground were holding any weapon. If you were smart enough, you can easily distinguish persons holding weapons like rifles or RPGs from persons holding NOTHING.

So that accident or incident, if that's how they want to put it, was more of an overreaction.

The only things that were made clear are; that the road or high-way was adjacent to a farm, the two vehicles illustarted by the NV equipment resembled a farm tractor and a truck that is usually used for transporting farm tools or products.

Two things were clear also;

First, the pilot shot the persons on the ground as he mistook them for ambushers or insurgents.

Second, the Apache's electronically-guided 30mm cannon is indeed very effective in low light or night attacks.

Nonetheless, let's leave the first issue to the eyes of the rest.

Old video?

Maybe. Who would dare show that in public at times when those who could be affected by that indiscriminate action might get enraged? Top secret info then? I can understand and that what it had to be to contain the fury of those tho would get annoyed by that video.

But let's leave that to the Americans to resolve that issue.

Let's instead take a closer look into the possibility of harnessing the kind of lethality displayed by the Apache. Flipzi wrote: BTW, all should learn from that video, particularly the persons holding that deadly killing machine and the officers commanding them.

The point here is that they should have made it sure that the persons on the ground were indeed hostile or if they were just there coincidentally and without any intention of harming the US troops that might pass by.

Lives are at stake in any situation like that.

But that's just my point anyway, solely based on that video.

US intel or recon feedback may have given the pilots and their commander the reason for that action.

That again is just my assumption also.

QUOTE from Jake Navarro :

Old video? Yes Secret video? I dont know but it is a military film and the military, any military will choose when and how to release such things. Farm tractors, and truck? how easily you forget Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq where TOYOTA TRUCKS are the means to transport fighters! You can see the weapons? As I said, the military claimed to have found weapons for used for a possible ambush...whether you belive that or not is up to you. Overreaction, Intel?? How can you judge when your not there and know the complete story.

Live are in stakes in situations like that???!!! Hell yeah...thats why i wouldnt take a chance. Eliminate probable problems before they become one.

Im sorry Im irritated but your comments are the comments of a civilian who can critique things or situations but have never been in harms way! I and my fellow soldiers are and will be exposed to these things and I for one will not hesitate to eliminate a probable "problem" than wait to get hurt or shot at first!

QUOTE from Flipzi :

I can understand your side on this, Sir.

But you have to understand that National Defense is not about slaughtering people as it pleases whoever makes the killing, ...or murder.

Soldiery is not about indulging in "killing frenzy" but rather defending the lives of INNOCENT PEOPLE.

The militants loaded in jeeps in Somalia can be distiguished even by using that Night Vision-aided targetting system from a similar vehicle loaded with farmers.

Unless, their eyes aren't 20/20 anymore. Isn't that the requirement for pilots, BTW?

Assuming that the persons on the ground at that time were "in the wrong place at the wrong time", ...... what if they were your loved ones?

Soldiery isn't just eliminating hostile enemies, ... you were trained to distinguish a friend from a hostile foe!

If these US pilots haven't got that training yet, then they better tell their over-aggressive commanders about it.

When i'm in that similar situation like what those pilot's were into, i'd rather tell my commander to send ground troops (Delta or Recon Force or any small but highly mobile unit) to check these guys first.

Rules of engagement even suggests that "one must only shoot when fired upon."

BTW, Sir Jake, that's just my point of view, as a civilian, or shall i say, as a human rights activist.

You got your point alright, and so am i.

Maybe there's a reason why we must hear both sides, coz sometimes or somehow,... someone somewhere ain't doing it right.