Session Start: Sat Feb 20 14:58:42 1999 * Logging #sosstudy to '#sosstudy2_20pm.log' I thought that Image view was suppose to tell you the size of the file but I fould out that the real size of the file is under browse info? kayroller the image/view gives you the size of the open file the browser shows the closed file size Oh I didn't know there was a difference I always suggest using windows explorer for the exact filesize KAYROLLER!!Did you see my note to you in the logs About AOL Message tosser? it is a program to automatically answer that 45 min time out and you dont have to worry about it I find it accurate all the time what exactly and where do you find windows explorer?? shutting down on you gw under start/programs/windows explorer no I didn't Eagle start/programs/window explorer it is the windows 95 version of file manager just better ahhh granny she must have windows 98 I find the size most accurate in Thumbs Plus program!!! okay I got that up now what? Yes I have both now navigate to the folder with your images in it no I have windows 95 does it work? okay there make sure view/details is selected next okay next I always leave on view/small icons Well I am changing my info on my lesson 2 lol it should be done tomorrow now you can see all the info on the image including .ext type, filesize and date it was made so if it says 10 kb is that good? yes granny-wicked that is small file yesI think 10 is good especiall since so many of mine are larger than that well my largest is a 87 kb the rest are between 1-15 kb Lucky you it is hard to keep them small lol I have some in the hundreds that is really good gw means I size down good!! great!! yes I have one that is 6 megs hmmm, let me try animation pages, lol animations are usually "big"!!! :) Bo - you can also right click on your start button to go to explore! kayroller how are you changing it? was I right about you using zero compression? changing the info on page 2 and 3 seraphina really? yes and you can browse with psp there also by right clicking on start and edit with cute guess it all depends on what you have associated things with It pays to check out right click on everything... lots of new things to discover! not just some technical list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/PSPchitchat we can be technical in there and then have fun in katz' list but really, how long does it take to download mails? hence the new list.....so anyone who wants the reg chitchat, go for it without attachments brb I would probably not like it much if people started adding attachments it takes a while on a slow dialup...and then some people don't have the time to read them all that can be a royal pain attachments can really slow things down to a crawl yeah and usually the attachments are not really wanted by everyone I'm joining now .. perhaps you can announce it on the current list too Katz .. there's losts of people on there that aren't here today ;) I have put it on the discussion board I have made it so that I have to authorize anyone so that we only get ppl from the class that might make Alan mad though if I put it on the list I just *love* the idea of the mailing list .. it's been invaluable Yes I agree Bo and have found that this term and what list are you talking about? Alan's email PSP study group eagle eagle the class lists the pspstudy mail list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/PSPchitchat I think the other one is http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/pspstudy the first one is this: sometimes when I use the selection tool.......it leaves little white lines when I deselect, how do I avoid this? you mean around the outside edges of selection? yeah it leaves an outline where the selection was even if you cancel it by deselecting? ok... maybe you've accidently moved the selection while it was active no when I use it to make changes If I select an area to change colours or whatever katz you might want to take it off restricted for subscription otherwise the process will slow down as you will have to authorize every email sent that will take forever yeh I know what you are talking I don't authorize the emails....just those who subscribe :) katz... I'm going to go try it and see if I can make it do that make it do what? leave a line around the selection hello mutherof5 I have even tried using the "hide marquee" but it still happens I have to go in an remove them them pixel by pixel :( katz... after u make selection, before filling... make sure your cursor doesn't move the selection.. that's the only thing I can think of right now unless Bo has another idea? it seems like the some of the pixels under the marqee don't fill no feather on katz? vikkie I am afraid I missed the whole conversation, I was checking out blossom's site which you all should do too, she made an awesome piece of art from scratch!! http://members.xoom.com/blossom1/pear.html http://members.xoom.com/blossom1/pear.html did you explain how to get the white lines gone not yet juliaanna... I'm trying to make it happen to me right now katz which selection tool does it happen with? blossom you did an excellent job on the pear and grapes all of the selection tools vikki I always end up with those tracks katz would you mind starting the question over? katz and all you're doing is selecting, coloring and deselecting? I can't get it to happen katz... sometimes when I use the selection tool.......it leaves little white lines when I deselect, how do I avoid this? someone needs to make an art gallery -like an anthology of some of this workss of are we are creating. katz is that after you use a drop shadow or flood fill? that is lovely blossom :) of some of these great works we are creating yes or even the paint brush yes katz thank you katz! :^) well it would be different for different situations I spent the entire night last night working on a set....which should look very pretty but for all those darn tracks :( what it can mean is that you did not have the entire area selected katz do you have one posted so I can see it? how do you know when you do? no I didn't yet but will brb it makes it much easier to see what is going wrong, and suggest change if I can see it okay katz gw? what was bubble tutorial this morning? did someone log it so I can see? let me know the url when you are done right to the graphic Eagle's Winter Nest for study group, logs, class info and urls. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7257/enwinter.html http://www.canadianwebs.com/katz/forest.html going to look now the graphic used on the title is the same one used on the bars yet it looks different :( katz the buttons look great, no white the text yes and different still from the ones in the border here would have been the trick I am redoing the welcome start with a layer that is the same as the background of your website design the text on the next layer Bo I dont think she means the text yes I have it about half finished doing it that way thanks :) it usually works like a charm to keep the white out of there :) eagle what is it then? there are little white spots around the buttons and the bars....driving me nuts * Granny-Wicked says katz may have to pixel color the white spots!! eagle is this morning already up? do you katz? dont you mean how the buttons all look different. Do you want them all to look as calen and crisp as they do in the border? katz the buttons look fine on this end? yeah but what causes them and is there a way to stop it except the one under the text * Granny-Wicked says that is the only way I can get rid of pixel white colors hmmmmmmmmmmmmm and see how she has white around the ones in the center but not in the border ones? the white dots was my first concern though eagle :) use a white background!! lol katz same way, design your piece over a layer that is the same as your background image on the bar? yes those too gw that is another solution katz they are very beautiful keep working to get them perfect * Granny-Wicked says you use the same color background on layers as you add to the bars? I realize that resizing the graphic makes them a bit blurred but the ones on the bars and the welcome were the same graphic why do they look different? no I didn't Granny-Wicked, gonna have to do that katz because a transparent canvas turns white when saved as .gif or .jpg okay I think I have that straight now lol * Granny-Wicked things that the welcome is different because of the shadowing and the difference between a gif and jpg is great!! hit the wrong button milton :) shadowing makes messes sometimes well after I got it done I realized that I didn't need to make them as gifs since they are meant to be used as a set katz that is why it is important to work starting with a layer that is the same as the background of your web page I used a white background originally because I was going to make them gifs and it's easier to select the background as the transparent colour that way LOL granny-wicked I think that is a lesson we all learned the hard way at one time or another sometimes a little planning saves alot of frustration * Granny-Wicked says yeap leapin, graphics is a lesson and I learned to pixelate color very early before I learned how to do correctly!! now the biggest lesson I can say about buttons I am also learning to save to floppy instead of hard drive and I have a floppy for each set.... with every little piece saved always save the original in .psp format without the layers merged that way when you go to use the button on another colour background you simply change the background layer colour would selecting the image and contracting it one pixel get rid of the white dots you think Leapin? * Granny-Wicked thinks I would have been better off waiting for a good class lesson then trying on my own, thank goodness for vu and this class and leapins patients!! lol blossom yes that would work too, as well as the remove black/white matte actually the white around the medalion is from where I used the carve feature not on the bar blossom it is only about two pixels already * z-katz thinks she is learning layers now anyway, there is about a gadzillion layers in that one page LOL katz layers are a lot of fun honestly katz, on the bar it would probably be better to pixel paint in the green then to recreate, unless you saved it as a psp extention, then you could add a layer and fix it and have pretty much unlimited power katz to fix it, use the replacer tool on the others, maybe layers would work better the intention on the line was to give it that same carved look as the medalion though :( that is true leapin replacer is a good tool!! gw another lesson I learned the hard way LOL I don't know how many graphics I sat and pixel edited to change colour then all of a sudden I read something and it suggested the replacer tool instead * Granny-Wicked says any changes is better then starting from scratch again, be there done that!! much faster and safer actually so there you go vikki, now you can see what I spent all night doing and why I missed the class this morning LOL I used replacer on a cross stitch that had a white line down it when made to thumbnail..I was amazed! * Vikki needs to remember the replacer tool........... kinkell knowing the tools like you do, saved you much time Bo-Peep-N : Tell me how can a virus do anything if it has no bytes? To stop AOL from dumping you add AOL Message Tosser http://www.bluefront.com/aolsft/mt.htm http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Campus/7257/pspWk2.html Granny will you pass this on to Kayroller ??? Kayroller: here is the one I use with AOL It works good & you get a free trial (& its cheap to buy)... http://www.tpasoft.com/ Session Close: Sat Feb 20 16:32:23 1999