Session Start: Sat Feb 20 19:04:16 1999 * Logging #chatcafe to '#html1feb20.log' Welcome everyone! mIRC version 5.51 is now avialable for download all upgrades are free registered or not can now double click URL in chat window, and mIRC will now add dates to logs so you get one for each day, not one long one http://www.mirc.co.uk (Malibu was having frame trouble and got it to work!) It has to be in the frameset line and not repeated in the Frame src lines. I had it in both and it won't work that way. good deal upload Malibu see it ...looks good looks GREAT! Does anyone have any question? I have started to get my pages up, but I'm not getting the background colors....I don't have all the colors working on my puter so I don't know if it's me or not, I use both IE and netscape you have a URL ? I use http://members.aol.com/my1researc/virtualnotebook.html background is blue and text is black? I get a blue bg at that page yes, that's right for that page....must be my monitor then my reds aren't working i see blue bg also ok, whew...at least I've done that right thank you The code looks okay Anna And the page is a medium blue background what a relief only need a new monitor LOL I think I would have rather it been the code : ) will get a new one for free...lol great anna1 -- it may be the number of colors you have set on your monitor that would affect what you see because the blue you used is not a NS 216 approved color!!! we have tried everything we can think of, this is a replacement from the one that kept giving me scrolling lines through everything after changing tints all over the place but I've noticed on a lot of pages, students are changing the actual size of their animations in the code causing terrible distortion!!!! * Granny-Wicked things hmmmm, not good to change size in html code, can become very distorted!! mine are thumbnails check anna1's page -- the book at the top is a good example!!! http://members.aol.com/my1researc/virtualnotebook.html click on the image like you are going to save it -- but then click on "view" instead and see the actual size! with animaitons you must be careful with size, not all the frames are the same size best to leave out the width and height attributes for them : ) * Granny-Wicked says the original is ouch much smaller, it can make a browser go coo coo frames? No Steve...a different type of frames! yes animation can be done in frames different size frames for each gif that is animated an animation frame, like a picture frame check -- http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/animate.html -- How animations work!!! each gif is supported with a size of frame * Granny-Wicked says yes please be careful with animation, don't mess up your wonderful work out there, with rough animation objects to change the actual size of an animated image -- you MUST change *each* frame in it!!! Not just the size in here is a gif optimizer you can use to resize graphics, even animated ones that is in the next lesson * Granny-Wicked thinks otter is right on!! otter i wonder if you could try it to see if does change each frame http://www.gifoptimizer.com/ on this particular one anneH, I would presume that it is same size frame all along think that only reduces the file size don't it ? but that is not true of all gifs you can make them bigger too never tried it on an animation anneH -- it is pretty neat * Granny-Wicked says zonie is correct, it doesn't change the file size to resize height and width either it is at mediabuilder, can reduce colors, resize and have it scaled in proportion too I have a program that will resize regardless of frames, but not free : ) I've only used it to reduce byte size since Gif Wizard started charging!!! LOL PSP5 does animation and frames can be resized too this one is for free at media build tho It's Animation Shop (which comes with PSP5) I have the same PSP5 lol * Granny-Wicked says the book animation is 9 frames all the same size that the one I use too Granny : ) Frames? frames as in screen shots steve file size is 2, 175 bytes anyone have any questions tonight about the lessons in HTML Thank you Otter and all for the tips regarding sizing animated gifs! Blondz -- question? will we cover adding midis or videos to our pages? information about adding midis comes in week 6 Sound is in Week 6 I'll wait to see if my questions about it are answered then.... We don't cover adding video specifically. But I will pass on some URL's at that time for you for a list of commone acronyms used here -- check -- http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/irchat.html Ghatten will be cover maping at all?? kayroller -- what's your question? Image maps? They are covered in HTML II http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=0007SG for MapThis, and I got a tutorial up for it at Newbie Corners now : ) thanks zonie, url please? 'Newbies Corner' for help with mIRC, WS_ftpLE, MapThis and NotePad+ last part flfry is F L F R Y all in lowercase no spaces http://home.onestop.net/flfry/ Zonie -- great page -- I put a link on "Otter's Place For Faqs" -- http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/otter_faqs.html MapThis doesn't do Java mouse overs, but then it is free, don't cost 20-25 dollars : ) The email address should be "open" all the time..even after the class is officially over I may have a potential job, doing a web site, and was wondering if mouseover and mapit will work together on one item? Ť Granny-Wicked ť: MapThis don't do JS, but you could add it yourself by hand Do you mean adding mouseover to image map? You will need to add that if you use some programs I am thinking of doing a cowboy and cowgirl and makeing the clothes colors change on mouseover, and then click on item for next site, say a shirt color changes when mouse goes over it, and when clicked goes to shirt sites But others offer the ability to add it when you are doing the area shapes oh? cool MapEdit $25 does JS, and CoffeeCup Mapper ++ $20 does too would java scripting be better? puts the text in staus bar of browser to change the shirt color and make it clickable not on the page it self okay like frames site you will still want to make text links too for the clothing items besides the image map or JavaScript Not sure how to do it with an image map...but it could be done as a "fake" image map..... * Granny-Wicked says even though I don't like frames I will do it for this site!! could use mouse over to do image changes : ) that is what I thought zonie, mouse over to color change and mapit to make it clickable site to new url location not just color would change images, like the buttons in week 2? right yes... * z-kayroller says wow I tried zonie one shop site on aol and was kicked okay will re read lesson 2 that's what she is lookong for thanks to both of you, I am gathering images now to use then will create new colors and then use either mapit or javascripting depending on which is faster and better I've never seen it work that way..but would love to see the results. me too!! javascripting loads faster doesn' it? then you can add a survey and we will vote to see which one we like better if you like faster than what : ) image map think so i think so too...... you can use that dicer program eagle find to slice up the map JavaScipting would load faster than large image and then you will have pieces fit back together I will only use one picture for each I think, picture dicer is to slow I would probably use the dicer program and javascripting!!! really? That would be my call Otter... It would LOOK like an image map it would be faster? or just use 2 separate images awe, I see okay on to learn more!! But load faster and be sure easier to do does it have to be an image map effect? me too dicer alone on large image takes a long time to load yes that is what I was thinking two images, like animation one black and white one colored in dicer program? Is it available for Mac, do you know? by the time you add in the tables for the diced map, it don't load faster by much ; ) i think it is only windows program kittycat not sure at this point otter thankee AnneH there was a tutorial on how to make graphic into puzzle pieces using PSP too GW --- fake it and use two images in a colored table cell!!!! LOL yes I could do that will fake a lot right now otter :) Good luck on getting the job GW the theory is that several small gifs load faster than one big one, but band width is band width, you only gonna get so much thanks ghatten it will be a great job http://www.pfiwestern.com/ he wants something similar to this site http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/2046/puzzle.htm swipe that site and add your own images LOL lol thanks zonie, but would rather learn as much as possible Session Close: Sat Feb 20 20:04:48 1999