Session Start: Sat Mar 06 19:05:45 1999 * Logging #chatcafe to '#html1_3_6.log' You can retake the class, yes Even if you take the exam...and don;t like the grade! You get the info from VU, when you get your grades, they send info on applying for the CEUs And since you are getting it this week BUT Have TWO weeks...you can work on what you need to do.... Your web page counts for a total of 60 points It must be on the web I have a question on photo added to web page And it must have certain elements to get the FULL 60pts What can CEUs be used for? Can they be applied to traditional degrees? You will see the elements you need to include in this weeks lesson under the Exam info some comunity type colleges will except them towards earned credits So if you are missing any, you can work on it! The exam is 40 points And will be hard, but not impossible... Most places in US do not accept CEUs for traditional degrees It is an "open web" exam Only ask that you do it alone and not post answers to the web or the Bulletin board Ignore her have been but it's been going on all night just minumize the dialog box, do not close it, then ignore it, services will get her : ) Services will do nutin' ok, try ignoreing the host name now I am getting Druhill as long as that one dialog box is open (minumized) can't do anything but add text to it, not send you nother one I've tried that too druhill Maybe I didn't do it right... I'll just ignore often CEUs are needed for a job or to keep a professional license updated Yes, CEU can be used that way some health care givers are required to submit so many CEU's per year what does CEU stand for. I wonder if it'll be any good to me in Canada? Teachers too Continuing Education Units for more info on CEU's (Continuing Education Units) http://www.vu.org/help/handbook.html#Grades Thank you Z. z-Vikki: type /ignore *!*Lillian18@midlandpro.com does anyone have any questions tonite about the lessons? if we save the lessons as .htm files, will they always be active? Are links kept up to date? real question: does anyone know anything about the browser "neoplanet"? I mean, known problems with HTML, etc. oh. just tried it out on recommend and it's way-awesome « classdismissed »: got enough trouble satisfing NS and IE : ) IBM tech 1: I don't know what is wrong I tried to boot up the company system this morning and nothing happened IBM tech 2: Well there is obviously some bugs in the system some where then. question: two-row table. Bottom row I want one cell on the left to have writing in it, one on right to be small square. Tried using size="10%" for small one, didn't work. did you do a table within that td area classdismissed? try not using % but a set pixle size you can do pixel size on one side zonie? hmmm, tell me about that? tried the pixel size too. Seems like that row is being ruled by the one above in terms of sizes? width="10" rather than width="10%" if it's 2 rows -- they will both show the same size cells « Granny-Wicked »: what did that question mean? table within a cell? you need to put another table in there OK never mind misread question :) What I was talking about class dismissed is a table within a table, need extra cells and span * Granny-Wicked says yeap, otter knows tried doing that zonie, like 3 in the top row, one spanning 2 columns. Then still couldn't make the bottom row cooperate. flamingo...url? using % or pixels ? when you get to URL, choose photo album, choose bottom right hand photo. Right now I have given in to one cell on bottom row. Want the little graphic in a cell of its own. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/nestfram.htm use no % anywhere, in table or cells, using only pixels you should be able to do it looking the other photos have it like I want it. But they all have only one cell in the top row. don't look any thing like you discribed, text on one side etc check the other photos and see what I'm trying to accomplish. they all look similar to me in NS3.x arg same here in ns4.5 even the bottom right corner? no, I mean, you have to clik on the photo and go to the url after that! I'm lost : : ) all clicks take me back to the cover page flamingo frames after first page don't show on ns4.5 I get a black screen on NS 4.07 when I click on any of the photos!!!! can you give URL of page, not frames with clicks ? flamingo me too otter nestfram k....just a minute anybody using MSIE? yep : ) me 5b2 codding is correct in ns but black sceen comes up me how do it look to y'all NS very picky : ) I don't know which page were talking bout yet : ) the photo album one, isn't text on one side and small square on other is photo with text in both colums I still get a black screen going directly to the photo URL outside of your frames! This will show you what i WANT: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/cottage.htm This will show you what I have and don't WANT: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm I see a photo with text under the photo, one per column one per row okay...it works (the link) in MSIE « Granny-Wicked »: you aren't at the right URL yet, clik on the bottom right photo from where you are now what url http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm black screen on ns4.5 hmmmmmm I don't know why do you? Our Summer Place in Point Roberts, WA, USA
1 td on 2 td off : ) k, I'll fix that, but that's not the problem one. That's the example of what I want it to look like under the photo. And on the photo page ? you gonna have to add some cells below the photos then Flamingo...love your site map that is the reason for the black screen in netscape, that happens that you get a blank page when you do not close your tables Granny-Wicked me too.. black screen on ns4.5 so double-closing things is screwing it up in netscape flamingo, one suggestion if you have not done it on the page with your image map tho Flamingo -- looks like you forgot to use on all of them -- that's why they don't show!!! Flamingo no the missing since if someone does not have graphics turned on, they will not be able to get anywhere with your links, you should really add a text menu to the page too so people can click on links oh! k, just opened my netscape and am seeing the same stuff you are now I mean the same nothingness I checked in ie 5.0 and ns 4.5 and it looks the same to me? the great void LOL same meaning it looks good in both browsers. No blank screen here. i really liked that you added a link to a no frames page for people that prefer it on your frames page too Oh yeah...well I'm using IE 6.9 and NS 12.4 while watching Rocky 17 and listening to Chicago 28...so there!!! Flamingo the imagemap is great! I love it who, when I put in thanks! I thought it made sense to do it that way cuz that's how I think of my site...like an heirarchy of thingies « anneH »: well I'd put in words but I don't know how I could integrate them with the drawn theme. Ideas? Granny -- http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm « Flamingo »: put them at the bottom of each page, not up with your image map hmmmm, black screen? that's it Granny!!!!! « Zonie »: they're talking about the site map image map but it was a black FLAMINGO there is one more online class next week try again, fixed it I think....netscapies, please try http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/cottage.htm nope i mean http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm hooray! I see it flamingo!! I have your url what were you looking for? on the last row? ook. go to http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/wedding.htm and see the bottom row, it has one cell with words, and then a small one on the right with the "back" bird. then go to http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm and tell me how to make that happen when I have TWO cells above in the top row. k well I just found out that NONE of them look like they do in IE4!!!!! So I can't really ask the question unless there's a tutor with IE4 actually don't you have three colspan here flamingo? for the bottom row -- use 2 cells for the text and the last one for the pix colspan="2" will be text in first 2 cells oooops -- just looked again and you only have 2 cells on the grad page!!! :) otter, I tried that before. But I couldn't get the three cells to cooperate in size. yes, I gave up and made 2 cells no -- 3 cells won't work under 2 cells do you want the text moved to the left? Otter, flamingo is trying to create two column right and left picture, with three colum at the bottom one says here alone, one says here with parents and one that has back button, right flamingo? or centered? not quite. two column right and left picture, with three colum at the bottom one spans two columns says all the words, one that has back button i guess? flamingo, you could use two column table for pictures, end table, then start table, three colums, with words under each picture and one for backbutton, end table good idea. will the two tables look joined? will show a double border yes if you don't use cellpadding or cellspacing no frame of table should look right in between Anyway I don't like what any of them look like in Netscape. In my IE4, the cell on the bottom right with the back button, it's exactly the size of the back button. Not on Netscape do not use borders, ? actually flamingo, I see both ie 4.0 and ns4.5 and don't see much difference between them in all those picture.htm files......on my IE4, the little cell on the bottom right exactly fits the bird button. The words are in a cell left of that, and the cell spreads right across to the little button cell. really? the words at the bottom are larger in ns that is all IE reads TABLES differently than NS k I have bothh open other then the flamingo is closer to the right edge in ns on IE4 it's what I describe just there always a problem with them otter? could it be the way the coding is entered? on Netscape the bottom row has two half-n-half cells. Looking at (for example), http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/cottage.htm aw, I see flamingo, one picture, two cells, ns = size ie= different size ya also two closing there actually, in ns, the position of the button created by having the bird-button in the same cell comes closest to what I want to achieve using two. So maybe one is the answer. on the grad page -- try putting the back image in a seperate fixed the double /td.....did that help? back to album June, 1999: Trefor graduates from BCIT
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A pose with both parents.
« Otter »: that's how this all started. I WANTED to do that, but it wouldn't work wouldln't work for the positions Move the image down into a separate cell after the one with the text text here good idea otter image there would be an opening before the text cell!!! ya I had that. The other photo .htm pages have that. But in this one with two pics in the top row, couldn't get the image to move over to the right. the button image when I had two cells then if you want the back image on the right -- use Align="right" in the Delete the colspan=3 in the last row or maybe in img src tag : ) info here like that? ok, did that stuff, check it now. yuk and delete the width of the bottom row of cells they will be the same width at the top row!!! but I don't want the width the same as the top row, I want the width of the bottom right cell the size of the button Delete the colspan=3 in the last row and delete the width of the bottom row of cells k done, now check. still not right ? are we still on this site? http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/cottage.htm Ohhhh -- you also have colspan in the upper pictures that equal 3 cells but have only used 2 that won't work!!!!! « Granny-Wicked »: sorry, no, working on http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/flamingo/homenest/photoalbum/t_grad.htm * Granny-Wicked says no wonder I was lost!! lol * Granny-Wicked says not that that is unusual, lolrof Flamingo -- colspan means the cell will span two columns -- but you have to have the two columns there for it to span k that's fixed. now back to the bottom row....still not right you have colspan=1 and colspan=2 -- which equals 3 columns -- but there re only 2 columns in the top where the pix are!!! « Otter »: fixed that one hang on -- checking just noticed what "view source" is like in NS. Finally found one thing I prefer in NS to IE4 I'd have to play with it -- but try inserting in the bottom -- "BETWEEN" the text cell and the image cell may screw up the whole thing!!!! LOL just try and change something though : ) « Otter »: check it, just tried what you said ya ya zonie I'm very trying! yick flamingo, no good!! nope Great -- now try COLSPAN="2" in right pix of family silly otter, that's how come that "2" was there in the first place....I had tried that. going to do it again to show you..... k go look better getting there now how about adding "A pose with both parents" as before flamingo? k -- what you can do is to use and invisible pixel in the center bottom cell to set the size awe, lol, good idea try
in the center bottom cell and see how big it makes it now we're out of my range of know and into DUH it might work flamingo, try it ok, once more from the top? what do I try next? I'll explain the pixel stuff later -- try
in the center bottom cell and see how big it makes it between the first right otter? hey look, now we're talkin. If I can make that HR invisible now..... perfect -- is that how you want it? oh, but I wanted the words to stretch across but the birdie's box is the right size right now add words a pose with both parents instead of HR? k -- then make the
smaller in the center cell and add a larger one in the first cell to stretch the text what if she puts the words A pose with both parents there? tried granny's solution...take a look YUK larger size text? and center? well hmmm, otter, I like your idea, lol no -- make a wider
in the first cell and a shorter one in the middle just to check the size all text in the first cell though k, fixed up with Granny's solution......now I'll try the otter trix actually not bad, I like the effect otter!! lol * Granny-Wicked quickly jots this info in her to do lessons, and decides she likes this and will attempt it, thanks flamingo and otter, gosh learning everyday I'll show you how to replace the
to invisible -- we're just using it to set the cell width right now k take a look I did some sizes of HRs k -- let's try one more thing!!!! second hR needs to be in area alright much better k. now what need to make left bottom cell wider to accommodate words horizontally more delete the middle cell in the bottom row and make the first cell colspan=2 and increase the width of the
let me check you code -- hang on a sec try it and see what happens Ni-Tol : ) see ya another time : ) k, brb nite Zonie -- thanx!!! too late -- lol too big lol delete the center cell in the bottom row the one that only has
in it make the first cell in bottom row COLSPAN="2" noooo -- make the center cell in the bottom row smaller with a shorter
k, well I'm trying that, but each time I widen the HR, the whole TABLE goes wider k, making center cell again, wait.... tee hee this is getting silly. Look now. and back to COLSPAN="1" in first cell in bottom row lol dum de dummmmm brb k extra credit for blood, sweat and tears!!!! my machine has smoke coming out of its ears why not do a hr size of each picture, with words under it, on the right one, make hr size less then other back button? k trying it * Granny-Wicked says kayroller says thanks otter, she did blood, sweat and tears too!! I think I need to play around with it -- I KNOW it can be done!!!! LOL k granny's idea done.....are we getting closer? I think the first idea, of HR on both pictures, three cells, with size needed is the right idea otter Flamingo, do HR under first picture, cell with words under HR go to second cell area, do hR with words, and then third cell is back button? won't that work otter? looks like it does need the middle cell ok trouble with FTP, just a minnit yes otter, I think the third cell idea is right on Flamingo -- if you want -- I can play with it and email you the code if I can get it to work only use HR as guide for width of each your idea is correct I use
just for placement I like the idea, it is a good one let me give you the URL where you can "steal" my invisible pixel http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4642/borders4.html It's a tiny square at the top of the page k I got that URL, and I'll go look later. You can also use that instead of
to set the size -- just use BORDER="1" in the I set the HR's to match what I thought were correct sizes, and baby look at it now! yik I usually set it the width I want and height only "1" it will hold the cell width that way Flamingo -- you might need to use nested tables -- I would have to play with it a bit to see what works otter? question? what is hr size to pixel size? k well if you want to do what you said, playy with it and try for a solution, that would be great. I'd be grateful. email address in DCC? if picture size is 189 would hr size be the same? same granny -- just so you don't use % size in
so if picture is 189 the hr is set to 189? well yes, except I want that text cell to span across under most of the bottom of both pics, leaving only room for birdie button Flamingo -- email me the URL to Wendy@VU.org that way I'll have it on file!! so first data area should read
then put info k will do the second
data, then remainder of cell is back button? granny -- you wouldn't use the
in the actual table because it will sho otter, maild ya oh, hmmmmm, I was just using it until Flamingo could copy the pixel89a.gif from my page actually it doesn't look bad though K -- thanx Flamingo -- I'll give it a try for you! I think it is kinda decorative I do like the idea flamingo, and the HR doesn't distract well, but it doesn't match my others and I like what they look like better. sob. sometimes I will use
to underline text yes that would work to, who would know!! then it doesn't look like a link i use HR that way in my VU notebook, but again, IE4 shows all my colored HRs, NS just makes them boring most interesing information, I think I will play tommarrow with the idea pretty pink underlines, and nada in ns I do colored tables, for ie, and netscape is plain that's the problem with competition!!!! stupid browserisms!!!! I wish they would be better and more closely user friendly I agree otter so you mean the bg colors don't show in ns tables? and AOL kills most web sites!!! LOL I think they could change their styles or looks but keep codes the same yes aol is the pits bg shows flamingo, makes the designer look really stupid!!! LOL you can make cell colors show in ie not netscape the cellpadding and cellspacing can be colored in ie flamingo, not ne in ne just plain gray, lol or page color I need to go eat dinner -- hmmm, dinner? but inside the cells the color still shows, right? yes it's been a challenge but fun!!! I'll be in touch Flamingo yes, and thanks a bunch for all the time you spent helping. This is so KEWL having online helpers with instant feedback! yes flamingo, colors are the same inside the cells Take care all!!! Nite bye otter nite otter fudge-brained pinkbird is flappin away too now.....bye have you tried that flamingo? to color the border of the table? ya I have, but only checked it in IE4 I like instant feed back too in classes I'll have to go back and take some look-sees Session Close: Sat Mar 06 21:10:11 1999