保勝心意拳館
訪問篇
1. 《太極論壇訪問》
問：怎麼是心意太極拳?
邵：太極拳一般在形法上分類。例如傳統，新編，姓氏，併合拳等。
我認為學習太極拳，除了拳式，心法亦很重要。學習的次序和進度，
因人而異。習拳時如由拳理意趣入手，便於融會貫通。將追求太極拳
藝的重點放在「心意」上，取名心意太極拳，用以識別。
問：為甚麼要創新拳派?
邵：心意太極拳，並不是新派系，而是統稱，與其他拳種分別只是習
拳的過程。我認為太極拳，最能顯個性，應各有特色。心識意念情緒
，有諸內形於外。再進，所謂有形有意都是假，拳到無心始見奇。混
元悟通，就是心意太極拳的要求。
問：你認為現在的國術應怎樣改進?
邵：我只是習拳的愛好者，不敢妄言。打拳只是為興趣，沒有大理想
，只活得自我，自在就是。
問：請問你怎樣傳授心意太極拳?
邵：邵保勝的哲學是協調，創意，個性。就求學者的需要，個人條件
而編排學習課程。一般都是短期課程，內容是身法，樁法，基本功，
主要體會太極拳的藝術趣味。進修者，多是藝術創作者，高級行政管
理人員，拳術教練等。
問：對學習內家拳術，有人認為要十年不出門，你同意嗎？
邵：我的學養有限，一生都在學習，每天進步就好。我沒有學過要十
年才學會的東西。但我認為，內家拳是「改善」拳，沒有畢業這一天
。如果學習形法，因為好的門派衆多，窮一生的時間也不夠。我主張
由心法入手，追求悟通體會，精進自已的功夫，比較實際。
邵保勝 19. 1. 2004
2. 《新假期訪問》邵保勝 15. 3. 2004
3. Interviewed by Kart-Heinz Klug
http://www.liu-he-ba-fa.info (English/German)
1. Can you please tell me something about your martial arts background
and your teachers?
Ziboce: I have over 30 years learning and teaching experience in Martial
Arts. I have interested in a wide spectrum across MA ranging from internal
styles including Tai Chi, Xing Yi, Bagua, & Liu He Ba Fa, to external
styles
including Wing Chun, & Shaolin. Also Qi Gong styles include Yi Quan,
Shaolin, & Emei.
Teachers who give me most inspirations are:
1. Sifu Ho Ka Hing
(Linkage of Chan Wei Ming- Yang style Tai Chi, Leung Tsz Pang-Yi Quan/Liu He
Ba Fa)
2. Sifu Fong Pak Shing
(Student of Master Tung Ying Chieh of Yang style Tai Chi, & Master Leung
Tsz
Pang of Liu He Be Fa.
3. Sifu Cheung Shao Lim
(Student of Master Sao Guo Zhang of Xing Yi, & Master Wu Kwei Wu of Chen
style Tai Chi)
4. Sifu Choi Cheung Hing
(Student of Master Chau Ming Yang of South Shaolin)
2. I am very impressed by your Liu He Ba Fa Clip on Youtube. Where does you
Liu He Ba Fa comes from.
Ziboce: Some 20 years ago, I started learning Liu He Ba Fa from a private
video of a Taoist Tsu Kwun Chau (Student of Guru Wu Yik Fai - Master Ho Yu
Tin).
Until I met Sifu Ho Ka Hing, I was taught on the applications. I got the
inspirations of 'lightness' and 'rhythm' from Sifu Fong Pak Shing.
During the years, I have collected videos of many old masters and other
streams of Liu He Fa Ba, including the second and third generations.
Until now, I keep on tracing and studying on the thought of Guru Wu Yik Fai.
3. In your Liu He Ba Fa lineage, do you only the long form or are
there any additional exercises or special Qi Gongs. If yes, can you
describe them a little bit? I know as example about lineages where
they do some conditioning for the fingers, because there are a lot of
finger piercing movements in the form. Other lineages incorporate
standing, other split the form into small pieces or separate forms to
make it easier to learn.
Ziboce: I learnt long form only. I got the stance from Yi Quan. I got no
special training on conditioning the body from Liu He Ba Fa.
In my understanding, Liu He Ba Fa bears the 'water' character in
penetration, rather than piercing by fingers.
4. When you do, the Liu He Ba Fa form you do something, my LHBF
teacher calls "broken intent", which means, that you
"split" one
movement into small movements, still in perfect flow, but
with slight rhythm changes. We do this in our LHBF lineage also to hide
the real intent. What is the idea in your lineage about this.
Ziboce: I am glad that you have noticed that. We called it 'wave'. Again it
is another characteristics of LHBF, which enables instant power between two
states of movements, or change of rhythms.
5. You created the "Ziboce Dance" from Chi Kung based on Tai Chi, Yi
Chuan, Xing Yi Chuan, six combinations & eight methods, and Bagua.
What was the reason for creating the "Ziboce Dance" and why you call
it dance?
Ziboce: Wang Xiang Zhai of Yi Quan created his Yi Quan Dance based on Xing
Yi. Referring to him, I got additions on top of his.
Dance, also in a sense of Art, is more appropriate to express myself along
with my philosophy.
My philosophy refers to Creativity, Flexibility, and Personality.
6. - What's your opinion about sparring / free fighting in the neijia
styles and in which way you guide your students from the early
beginning of their training to become a more proficient fighter?
Are there special partner drills up to free sparring? And in your
teachings, do you put more stress on the self-defense/fighting aspects
of your styles, more on the health/physical aspects or even the
Taoistic/philosophic?
Ziboce: My interest of MA varies with different stages of my age, from power
strength to health and rehabilitation.
I got the skills and training of building up body strength against attacks.
And also penetration techniques giving severe internal injuries.
At present, my students are most interested in health and Qi. Sparring
drills are limited to the appreciation of the theories and applications.
7. You mastered many different arts. When you teach applications, do
you separate the different ima´s you have learned or do you mix it?
Ziboce: I teach based on my understanding and knowledge.
When dealing with applications, I would explain and refer to various
styles
of similar aspects, make comparisons, and
encourage creativity.
8. Many ima teachers in the west say, that you have to train many
years to use the IMA´s for fighting and selfdefence. What do you think
about this?
Ziboce: I understand that it is the difference between MA and Neiga.
For MA, power and body strength mainly come from fitness. For Neiga,
strength comes from mindedness. In comparison, Mindedness is not easy to
learn. However, mindedness relates to understanding that does not deal with
the TIME consumes.
9. Is conditioning part of your training program? If yes, which
exercises do you do? What i mean are things like "Pole Shaking" or
working with heavy "Balls". Can you describe some of your exercises?
Ziboce: I develop a pole called 'Tai Chi Ruler', which relates with Guru
Chen Tuan, the founder of LHBF 1000 years ago. The ruler is found to be a
good catalyst of Qi. There are a few training exercises on the ruler
including shaking, rolling, etc.
I understand that balls and rulers are the good tools to get Qi. The essence
is on the change of momentum course, and not on exact dead weight.
10. I saw a video, where you use the Tai Chi Brush for Calligraphy. I
can clearly see, that you drive the brush with your center. Where
comes this practice from?
Ziboce: To me, Brush is another name for spear, or staff.
With the brush, I experimented on recording the tracks of brush on the
different time and space. From the experiment, I demonstrated Past, Present,
and Future in Man in-Sphere, Man-outside-Sphere, Man-across-Sphere.
The idea is to find out the technique of mastering 'penetration' skill.
11. Do you use the term Qi during your
teachings and if so, what's
your point of view of Qi?
Ziboce: In simple terms, Qi refers to Internal substances that can be felt,
and external substances that cannot be controlled.
A) Internal
Qi are those substances that I consider their existence either subjectively
or objectively, something that can be felt and controlled by human body.
Examples are:
a. Visuals - i.e., turns, drowsy, stillness, motions, brightness, darkness,
flashes.
b. Sensations - i.e., heat, pressure, body temperature, moods, smooth,
comfortable.
c. Internal organs - i.e., heart beats, pulses,
d. breathing - i.e., dantien, choking.
e. hearing - i.e., resonance, harmonics.
f. taste - i.e., sweet, sour.
g. muscles - i.e., shaking, tension, relax, strength.
h. nerve system - i.e., pains, reflection, potentials, instincts,
predictions, dangers, balance.
B) External Qi, are substances that cannot be directly controlled, or
sensed.
For example, pressure points, dim mak, meridians, light generated from human
body, hair breathing, 4th dimension, cells, DNA, hormones, viruses, blood
flow, supernatural power.
I refers to Qi when I talk about internal Qi in response to Mindedness.
12. What are your plans for the future?
Ziboce: I would like to spare more time on making videos and writing
articles of my style.
In my understanding, contributions to mankind in the way of health rather
than injuries look more constructive.
13. Most liuhebafa practitioners today can trace their lineage back to
Mr. Wu Yi Hui (Wu Yik Fan). Yet, it seems like even Mr. Wu Yi Hui's
students (e.g., Chen Yik Yan, Liang Zi Pang, Li Dao Li, ...) differ
greatly in their liuhebafa movements. What are your thoughts on this?
Ziboce: It is natural as the art develops according to time. Different
people have different inputs and thoughts. There is no original, real,
tradition. In fact, I keep on improving mine.
14. Some people have claimed that liuhebafa is nothing more than a
"hybrid" of taiji, xing yi, and bagua styles. Do you
feel that
liuhebafa is just a fusion of these three styles, or something more?
How do you feel it differs from, for example, Sun-style Taiji, which
is also a combination of taiji, xing yi, and bagua?
Ziboce: I do not think hybrid a good name for LHBF. LHBF has its own
specialties, and also commonality with other styles. For example, what LHBF
distinct from others is the 'water' characteristics in terms of power forms,
including penetration, resonance, diverse, condense, vortex, adhesive,
melting etc.
I would like to say that Guru Sun expressed
the Sun philosophy in the forms
of taiji, xing yi and bagua, other than just a combination. You may find
that some of the Sun's methodology happened in his Bagua sword, with his
remarks that his skill was beyond Bagua theories.
15. Master Wu Yi Hui has learned "Sleeping Meditation" which comes
from
Chen Tuan. There is nearly no material about this. Do you have an idea
what this is about?
Ziboce: I learnt that some materials were destroyed during the Red China
Revolution, including the 'Walking and Sitting Illustrations' from Chen
Tuan. These illustrations included the methods of standing and sleeping
methods.
Referring to the remaining Walking Illustrations, I understand that it
relates to Taoist Qi Gong practices. For example, count 8 breathes for each
posture.
I have asked Mr. Ivan Fok, Chairman of Yi Quan Society of Hong Kong on the
issue. Mr. Fok told me that he learnt sitting methods from Master Leung Tsz
Pang. The idea of Yi Quan stance happens right for sitting, walking, living,
sleeping.
I found also old sleeping illustrations, one in the name of Wah Shan
Methodology, and one in the namely of Bo Ting (Xing Yi) Methodology.
I would guess that the sleeping style is actually a lying form of the Qi
Gong. It does not have any relationship with sleeping.
To my knowledge, the five words poem of LHBF very likely relates to Taoist
Meditation Qi Gong. And this poem tells very little the details of the long
form.
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Peter Ziboce
Feb 8, 2007
