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Punishment Explored . . .
the various forms as well as some examples . . . .


Dungeon Chat is held Wednesday Evenings 9-11 EST in the Dungeon @ Fantassia's Palace.
All are welcome with the understanding that we all have the right to disagree without being disagreeable.

(following text has been edited ~ foregoing greetings, etc.)

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Wed Aug 9 6:58:47 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: ~slipping in to the Dungeon a bit on early for a change~

Wed Aug 9 7:01:38 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: gads . . I beat Les Is More tonight . . .

happy dancin feet . . .

Wed Aug 9 7:05:17 2000
Psyche*: greetings *S*

Wed Aug 9 7:06:53 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: Good Evening Ma'am...i brought my Master tonight...*soft smiles*

Wed Aug 9 7:07:21 2000
Psyche*: looks at all the unfamilar things in this new chat

Wed Aug 9 7:07:35 2000
Lord Viper: Hello Everybody

Wed Aug 9 7:07:59 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: Hello Psyche...*smiles*

Wed Aug 9 7:08:36 2000
Psyche*: hello *S* so I have to keep hitting refresh to see what others write?

Wed Aug 9 7:08:58 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: Good Evening Master...*warm smiles*... ~moving over to kneel by His feet~

Wed Aug 9 7:09:21 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: Welcome to Dungeon Chat, our regular Wed. night discussion group. Please give your attention to the discussion and if you must discuss with another Dungeon guest, please do so in PMs. We hope you enjoy the evening. Should you wish to be added to the BRC mailing list you may go to The BRC and join the mailing list at the bottom of the page..Thanks for attending!..(wink)

If you click my handle, it will take you to the BDSM Resource Center. It is a small and growing resource for lifestyle issues and includes a forum as well as many other things. You are invited to visit . . .peruse the pages . . . check out the book list and comment via email or the guest books.

Wed Aug 9 7:10:32 2000
Lord Viper: stormy.....is this the same Dungeon that Wwe used to come to when the WC wasn't working right?

Wed Aug 9 7:10:47 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: yes, that is correct  a bit slow, but one does have the option of scrolling back and not losing text . . . *S*

welcome!

Wed Aug 9 7:11:27 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: I believe Lord Viper . . you also had frequented chathouse? *S*

Wed Aug 9 7:12:42 2000
Psyche*: oops I guess I just did it *S*

Wed Aug 9 7:13:30 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: looking to the shadows . . . and waving a hand of welcome there as well. join in anytime . .

Tonight the topic is punishment . the various forms as well as some examples . . . .

as well as disassociating punishment in some ways from pain per se' as they do not always go hand in hand

Wed Aug 9 7:13:47 2000
Lord Viper: That is correct, Chrys. I thought I recognized Your name when i came in

Wed Aug 9 7:15:12 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: indeed *S* this has been a weekly discourse for over a year and a half.

Wed Aug 9 7:16:50 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: quickly stating the two basic definitions of punishment that we will go over tonight is punishment as a way to correct error and a punishment scene.

Wed Aug 9 7:18:18 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: tonight this is not a "formal" presentation . . so it is open forum . . as opposed to when we have guest speakers in. When that happens, we ask that you hold questions or pass them to the designated person that will funnel them to the host/ess at the appropriate time. *S*

Wed Aug 9 7:19:01 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: *listening*

Wed Aug 9 7:19:54 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: to those that are new to the lifestyle at times the term punishment can be confusing since it is often brings up memories of parenting and how discipline was during childhood. Then you read articles about how pain and punishment is pleasurable and it becomes a quandry . . .

Wed Aug 9 7:20:05 2000
Lord Viper: CC...the forms of punishment are as varied as the individuals and limited only by a persons imagination

Wed Aug 9 7:20:53 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: for those more experienced both vt and rt . . . it usually becomes clear rather quickly . . . but even then there are nuances that sometimes are missed

Wed Aug 9 7:22:39 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: the forms "punishment" may take . . yes they certainly varied . . however one is disapline the other is a "role" in which disapline/punishment is used the later generally (but not always) used in a context that mingles both pain and pleasure in that type of a scene .....

does that fit with your understanding?

Wed Aug 9 7:25:17 2000
Psyche*: is not sure she understands, for her, punishment is for a wrong and not meant to be pleasurable, where as discipline is what I get in a scene *S*

Wed Aug 9 7:25:42 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: stepping outside the box for a moment . . . think of how sometimes communication or lack of it comes into punishment. Take a submissive that thrives on pain . . and does not seem to get enough of it and doesn't know how to ask for it . . so they behave in a manner that will get them what they want. IF their Dom/me is on the ball, they will recognize what is happening and stem that in the bud. If not, they will be dealing with a manipulative submissive that really in essence is topping from the bottom and losing respect for their Master/Mistress

Wed Aug 9 7:26:47 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: *paying very close attention*

Wed Aug 9 7:26:57 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: Psyche, discipline/punishment used interchangably . . but the reason they are administered is the qualifier

Wed Aug 9 7:28:59 2000
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: IF one has a submissive that finds pain nirvana . . . then discipline/punishment (for a transgression) that is administered would be futile.

Wed Aug 9 7:29:09 2000
Psyche*: is confused here, the sub needs pain so she/he acts out in order to get that pain and yet if they get it, they lose respect for their Dom/me? and you are saying that the Dom/me should not give them what they need?

Wed Aug 9 7:30:14 2000
Lord Vipers stormy one: i always thought of pain and punishment...with smething i had done wrong...so when i found myself wanting it..needing it...it was natural to act up to obtain it...

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