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Tue Aug 1 5:05:48 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~:
Blessed are the Dominants, whose willingness to exercise responsibility
for a submissive is the foundation of our Lifestyle.
Blessed is the submissive, whose only true joy and desire is to serve.
Blessed are the Tops whose careful and knowledgeable application of pain can
make us fly beyond ourselves and reach peaceful heights of self-awareness.
Blessed are the bottoms who cheerfully and trustingly yield their
and becomes the Instrument for a Tops virtuosity.
Blessed are the Masters and Mistresses who realize the great gift they have been given
and dedicate themselves to utilizing that gift with love and care.
Blessed are the slaves who find that One special person they can trust wholly
and completely without fear so they may yield their
hearts, minds, bodies, and souls without reservation.
Blessed are the Teachers and speakers, who impart precious knowledge to us all.
Blessed are the lesbians, gays and bi-sexuals, who have shown the
to live out their inner needs under public scrutiny.
Blessed are the newbies, may they know only joy in this Lifestyle.
Blessed are those whose trust has been broken, may they find those who will help them heal,
and may they once again build up the courage to extend trust once more
Blessed is the Collar, the external symbol that binds two hearts and minds together.
Blessed are we all, for we are all bound together by the ties of our Lifestyle,
which will forever separate us from the world at large.
Wed Aug 2 10:56:37 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~:
Wed Aug 2 11:04:48 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~:
Wed Aug 2 7:17:30 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: well ... it seems like my computer now has a new record for screwing up on wednesday nights!
Wed Aug 2 7:18:43 2000
LES IS MORE(m): anybody here
Wed Aug 2 7:19:40 2000
~silent thunder~: ~quietly slips in and listens~
Wed Aug 2 7:19:53 2000
stormy: i am
Wed Aug 2 7:20:00 2000
LES IS MORE(m): Murphys law what can go wrong will
Murphys sec law
it will always go wrong at the worst time
Wed Aug 2 7:20:24 2000
stormy: i was reading the room MORE...*big grin*
Wed Aug 2 7:20:28 2000
LES IS MORE(m): good evening C C
Wed Aug 2 7:21:05 2000
stormy: hello silent thunder...
now MORE...it didn't go wrong a few mins ago!!..
Wed Aug 2 7:21:15 2000
~silent thunder~: evening CC, Ma'am.....LES IS MORE
Wed Aug 2 7:22:12 2000
LES IS MORE(m): hello silent
Wed Aug 2 7:22:46 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: sorry . . emergency phone call . . .
Wed Aug 2 7:23:07 2000
stormy: Hello CC...*smiles*...nice to see You tonight Ma'am....how are You?
Wed Aug 2 7:23:45 2000
LES IS MORE(m): hmmm
ok CC W/we will let you slide
this time
Wed Aug 2 7:24:51 2000
stormy: *chuckling behind her hand*...
Wed Aug 2 7:28:13 2000
LES IS MORE(m): wondering where everyone has gone
Wed Aug 2 7:28:16 2000
stormy: MORE?....
Wed Aug 2 7:28:59 2000
stormy: *pinch*...is that You...or a ghost?
Wed Aug 2 7:29:53 2000
SteelBabe: Evening G/guys.
Wed Aug 2 7:29:59 2000
LES IS MORE(m)
stormy you here
Wed Aug 2 7:30:24 2000
LES IS MORE(m): hey Babe you hot sweet DOM you
Wed Aug 2 7:30:59 2000
SteelBabe: Hey MORE...Always great to see Yourself. *smiles*
Wed Aug 2 7:31:47 2000
stormy: SteelBabe!....*soft hugs*...its nice to see You again Ma'am!...
Wed Aug 2 7:32:24 2000
stormy: nice even....and yes MORE...who do You think pinched You?...*sassy grin*..
Wed Aug 2 7:32:44 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
OK
In discussions with some of the ponys I know
the role is every thing
it is role play to the exteme to them
they litterly become the pony
in actions and thought
to them being treated as a pony is not demeaning
but rather their due as a pony
Wed Aug 2 7:32:44 2000
gentleminx: ~curling gently into the depths of a cushion soft and warm~ greetings to A/all...
Wed Aug 2 7:34:04 2000
stormy: hello gentleminx....*smiles*
Wed Aug 2 7:34:59 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
This also has been noted By others and Me and has lead to several discussions
that Mostly male subs seek the demeaning or depersonalizeing treatment from the Fem DOM
Wed Aug 2 7:36:37 2000
stormy: listening to MORE...
Wed Aug 2 7:36:46 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
A lot of female subs may seek to be called names
the Marjority would trade that part off for other treatment
Wed Aug 2 7:37:01 2000
gentleminx: hmmmm.... Sir, do You consider the way some Dom/mes view slaves as property similiar to pony-play in the depersonalization aspect?
Wed Aug 2 7:38:27 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
I personally do not care for the demeaning treatment or objectifing one
I find that treatment is accumlative
and will spill over into their vanillia life style
Wed Aug 2 7:40:35 2000
stormy: in my case...the depersonalization was done in a scene..and was used to teach..
Wed Aug 2 7:40:46 2000
LES IS MORE(m): minx
if it is a role
if it is considered their place and there due
if it gives the sub joy to be a slave yes
it is when after being treated that way the sub or slave
experiances "I really was not happy and got little pleasure from it"
then they should reconsider their role or place
Wed Aug 2 7:40:48 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~: Do you feel that there are both positive and negative aspects to the stripping away of the "security" of one's ego?
Wed Aug 2 7:42:05 2000
wind~dancer: peeks in.. ears perked hearing a discussion ongoing
Wed Aug 2 7:43:22 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
minx
in this lifestyle each must seek their own confort zone
what asspect they are into
how involved they are in that part of the lifestyle
how deeply they want to get involved
when you are not comfortable with what you're doing
think about what you want to do
Wed Aug 2 7:43:43 2000
stormy: CC..i think that there are always positives and negitives..in every area we delve into...people are different..and react differently to each situation...
Wed Aug 2 7:45:46 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
CC for some it is a relief/release
they can let themselfs go
and be less then they are in real life
so yes it is a positive side
cause they then can get back to the vanilla world stronger and refreshed
it is when this is not accomplished
that the negative should be considered
Wed Aug 2 7:46:22 2000
stormy: i also think that unless its discussed fully...the Dom/mes runs the risk of losing a part of Their sub that They may not nessessarily want to lose...their self esteme....
Wed Aug 2 7:46:40 2000
wind~dancer: soft smiles..trying to get the gist of the conversation and participate if allowed.. i am fairly new here but not to the lifestyle
Wed Aug 2 7:47:17 2000
gentleminx: i agree with You Sir. and, yes, i think as with many aspects of BDSM, T/those one plays with can make the difference between a positive and negative experience. And, when overtime one finds oneself just considered an object for the use and pleasure of a Top ~ then the slave experience and i imagine the pony experience does become less than delightful.
Wed Aug 2 7:48:04 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
wind if you have a comment
throw it out
W/we will disect it
examine it
and come to a conclusion
and every one learns
Wed Aug 2 7:51:05 2000
[ ~ The Diva Bitch is in ~ Let's do the Queen-Mum wave again *S* ]
~Cyberotica-Chrysalis~:
Wed Aug 2 7:51:21 2000
doll: *entering quietly and nodding to A/all*
Wed Aug 2 7:51:29 2000
wind~dancer: listens to minx..
in my lil own opinion.. if a Top is only "using" a sub for His pleasure on a consistent basis.. then what kind of Top are they.. my understanding of a Dominant is that their role is to control yes.. but to nurture ... guide.. expand horizons.. albeit sometimes forcefully but all for the betterment of the one who has given such a grand gift of submission onto them
Wed Aug 2 7:51:43 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
minx how true
I reminded of a story I heard from a pony girl about her friend
her freind was at a party with her owner at a user friendly pony farm
the owner got in a discussion with someone and had not properly tied her reins off
so like a real pony she was off
half the night he spent trying to catch her
and when he did
he could not punish her cause she was in the role of a pony
she did what a real pony would do
Wed Aug 2 7:52:55 2000
Lotta Skull: sits in on the disscussion ....
Wed Aug 2 7:52:56 2000
LES IS MORE(m): wind
you got
Wed Aug 2 7:53:51 2000
stormy: *quietly waving to doll*
Wed Aug 2 7:54:47 2000
stormy:
Hello Lotta Skull....LTNS Sir....*smiles*
Wed Aug 2 7:55:07 2000
gentleminx:
smiles quietly at the beautiful wind~dancer
i agree. my version of a Dom/me Who is good for me is One that nurtures, teaches, guides, enjoys, laughs, and keeps my ultimate good always close to Their heart.
Wed Aug 2 7:55:12 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
wind you have to understand also
there are those that seek to be used and abused
the worst they are treated the happier they are
so you have to be carefull if you see what appears to be abuse
if you do not understand
ask someone that knows what is going on
but do not interfere
Wed Aug 2 7:56:52 2000
doll: *speaking quietly*...what Les says about abuse is true...some crave the rough treatment...it is not abuse to them...it becomes abuse when it is not consentual..
Wed Aug 2 7:56:55 2000
wind~dancer: adding to my Dominant Wish list.. One who will expand intellectually as well as physical horizons
Wed Aug 2 7:59:01 2000
wind~dancer: nodding in understanding
i know of pain sluts.. and those who crave humiliation.. i would not interfere.. it is not my place unlesss O/one came to me to talk or ask for my input..
Wed Aug 2 7:59:25 2000
Starrion: *enters quietly and listens*
Wed Aug 2 7:59:35 2000
LES IS MORE(m):
minx if you are at a club usually there is a Dungeon Monitor that knows what is going on usually that is the best person
you only interfer if the sub is useing the dungeon safe word
if you are at a club/dungeon and there is not a safe word given you
when you enter
do not enter ask what it is
ask what the house rules are and study them
if there are no house rules
run do not walk away
Wed Aug 2 7:59:51 2000
gentleminx:
yes, i do understand that some do wish rough treatment. and that rough treatment may be consensual. but, how does the Dom/me judge if that type of treatment is in the sub's best interest?
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