Note: These are the actual copies of the emails I sent to Gene through Hotmail accounts nightrunner09 and nightrunner00. Save for spellchecking, there have been no alterations to their content made. I am only posting my responses to Gene, since I do not have Gene's permission to publicly post his emails, and doing so would be a violation of copyright laws. Note II: I have been informed by Sal (my in house copyright advisor) that I cannot use direct quote from Gene, even if they're in my own emails. Therefor, the segments of text that were written by Gene will be paraphrased. I will do my best to capture the wording and gist of Gene's stuff, but as his fans know, you lose a lot in the translation. If Gene ever gives me permission, I will switch over to his exact wording without delay. Apologies for the inconvenience. This is the first email that I still have a copy of, everything else got trashed due to crashes, loss of accounts, and simply falling into the void that is my computer. Right after I lost nightrunner08, I set up nightrunner09 and sent a message to Gene to which he didn't respond for two days. This lead to the following message: Please be aware that I am taking your silence as acceptance of my posting of Rockoids in public forums and as agreement to not pursue any legal action against said postings. Just so you're aware. James Kendall To which Gene responded, and we were off again. I admit that after getting nightrunner08 canceled, I started adopting a much bitcher tone with Gene. My last traces of respect had withered away with that action. >Such an agreement does not exist. Please take it >down immediately. > >Gene Steinberg That's funny as hell. I would've assumed that you nuking my Hotmail account pretty much prevented your attorney from ever getting in touch with me. Unless he's telepathic. Is he telepathic, Gene? I lost all respect for you when you pulled that stunt. I no longer feel like I owe you anything, any concessions, or any more time with this travesty that you've set up here. You have no legal right to block Rockoids. After two months, you have given me no proof, have given me no lawyer, have given me no reason to believe you, and have given me several *dammed* good reasons to believe that you're nothing more then a thin-skinned, lying, petty little man. In short, Gene, I don't like you any more. Which is a shame. Go away, Rockoids stays, and until I get something from your lawyer personally, then I don't want to hear another thing from you. James. For god sakes man, why the *hell* did you nuke nightrunner08? What were you hoping to gain? What was the point? To which Gene responds with his stock answer: >My people have your new address and will contact >you in the next day >to ask for the removal of the site. Such a shame they didn't do this two months ago. Would've saved you so much heartache I'm sure. Why did you have the nightrunner08 address deleted, Gene? I just can't figure out for the life of me what the was supposed to have accomplished. And it had to be you because I never use it to talk to anyone else at all save for a girl who lives one floor above me. >Gene Steinberg James Gene decides to tackle the reason why he had my account pulled after ignoring it for the last few rounds: >Before you ask me that, please read the terms of >contract for >Hotmail and expected behavior with that service. Did I spam? No. Did I harass? No. Did I send copyright information over the email? Yes. With your permission. Next excuse, Gene. >Gene Steinberg Here's my second favorite email I ever got from Gene: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:19:06 GMT >> Did I spam? No. >> >> Did I harass? No. > Did you insult? Yes. (Direct Quote, used without permission) There is a world of difference between insult and harass, Gene. You have insulted me, on numerous occasions. You have insulted people that I know and respect, you have insulted people I don't know that much about, and have insulted people I don't know at all. Yet I do not think the answer is to yell at aol and get you disbanded. Besides, the timing of it was.. unusual. If you honestly wanted your lawyer to get in contact with me, why did you close the only means of communication you had? I'm booted because I was insulting? Gene's never going to tell me exactly what I was insulting about, or give me any specific instances, but it's still one of my favorite excuses I've gotten from him. Here's my ultimate fav: >> Yet I do not think the answer is to yell at aol and >> get you disbanded. >I also take this as a threat to file bogus charges >against me, and I see >this dialog has no purpose. (another direct quote used without permission. The full impact of this would've been lost in any other wording) Gene, did you even read the *not* part in there? I said specifically that I do not believe that throwing out bogus charges is the answer. >My people will contact you shortly. I would hope so. And also. Why did you have my nightrunner08 account pulled if you wanted your lawyer to be able to contact me over Rockoids? Please answer. >Gene Steinberg I still don't know how he read my 'I do not think this is the answer' as a threat to do the same. One of the many mysteries of the Gene. >> Why did you have my nightrunner08 account pulled if >>you wanted your lawyer >> to be able to contact me over Rockoids? Please answer. >Why do you think I have the ability to cancel anyone's service? The fact that an account through which I communicated with only you and one of my hallmates was suddenly pulled for violation of contract. >You are judged by your own actions, not what other people >say about you. *chuckle* Interesting, that. Could you clip the email that I sent you which you found so offensive, then? >I have to go, long day at work. >As stated, you'll hear from my people. About time. Just think about how *easy* it would've been for you to do this two months ago. Boggles the mind, don't it? :) >Gene Steinberg Notice the Peace is gone. Funny that, seem to remember something similar over on rasfc. James This is the last we'll see of that particular debate as Gene now focuses on a different approach: >> About time. Just think about how *easy* it would've >>been for you to do this >> two months ago. Boggles the mind, don't it? :) >It's not my fault that my attorney took an extended vacation to Israel which included his son's bar mitzvah. He does charge me for ever minute that he provides service. Lawyers do those sorts of things. That's funny, I seem to recall you mentioning something about him looking it over two months ago. If he was on vacation at that time as well, wouldn't you think it would've been nice to inform me so I wasn't laboring under he false impression that this entire matter would be cleared up in a week or two instead of laboring on and on? Now why did you cancel the nightrunner08 account? Send me this email that got you so upset, I honestly want to know what it was that I wrote which had such an impact on you. Especially since by doing so you knew that the MSTY would be staying up and your lawyer would have no way of getting in contact with me. > Peace, > Gene James And stay easy on the cutting. I don't like losing my questions like that. Of course, if I had Gene as a client, I'd try to spend as many months as possible overseas. But it is strange that this is the first time Gene ever bothered to mention his 'lawyer/attorney's' absence. You'd think that would be the first thing he'd say once lawsuits and legalities were brought up. Along with the 'but my lawyer says that...' >I now know who you really are. Do not contact me again. *blinkblink?* What *are* you talking about, Gene? And seeing how many times I've asked you the same thing... And when are your people getting in contact with me? James And that was the last I saw of nightrunner09. Just after sending this, I got an ICQ from David informing me that Gene had called his office and that he was now on a three-day suspended leave while they worked out what to do. Nightrunner00 was created and a new email sent off to Gene: David is not me. Let me repeat. David is not me. I don't know what you were trying to pull with that, but all you've managed to do is hurt innocent people and get me upset. Gene, David is not me. I live on the other side of the frigging country. Do not push your thing with David. I am James, I live in California, I go to collage, I do not have a job. Listen to me. If you want to get upset, fine, get upset with me. Leave David alone, all he did was help me out. He didn't write it, he didn't email you, had had nothing to do with it. Do you understand? Do you know how bad this would make you look if it went to court? Please, let it drop, I beg of you. My attorney and I are currently working things out, I need a phonenumber where she can get in touch with you if necessary. James Gene's answer floored me >>My attorney and I are currently working things out, I >>need a phonenumber >>where she can get in touch with you if necessary. >Do me a favor and stop playing this sort of prank on me >and my company. I >am quite fed up with the whole thing and I would greatly >prefer it if I >never heard from you or anyone else about this ever >again. (Direct quote, used without permission. This already has been quoted in full elsewhere.) Gene. Listen to me. I am not David. I was never David. He was a friend who agreed to host my MSTY. Nothing more. He Is Not Me. I am not playing any sort of prank on you, I mearly want to be able to post up my MSTY so that people may enjoy it. You nearly got a good friend of mine fired today, Gene. An innocent person who had nothing to do with this. Why? And how is my attorney a prank? And as for not hearing from me again: Drop the thing against David, that's what I'm concerned about. Blast me all you want but leave David out of it. I don't want to see him lose his job because you have no sense of proportion. And I do have my aunt working on this, and my mother, and quite a number of other people. Trust me, Gene, I am not pranking anyone. Again: LEAVE DAVID ALONE. Please. >Gene Steinberg Peace James Kendall I'm playing a prank? News to me. Since when did people lose jobs because a friend of theirs was playing a prank? >I have not done anything against this David person. >I just asked that > the Web pages be taken down, nothing else. >Whatever else has occurred is because of what >you and your friends >have done, nothing more and nothing less. Oh really. I suppose why this was why he was almost fired, why his boss believes that Time Warner's about to descend down on him, why you threatened to *sue* even though you have no legal right to at all, and why he's currently on unpaid leave until things are straightened out, and just because you happened to think that he was me. Of course Gene. I believe you. >As I said I am done dealing with pranks and >e-mails from people with >untraceable addresses. If you wanted my number or address, you need mearly ask. I don't use my mindspring account because the collage's LAN screwed it up and I never had the interest to fix it. And you're the one who keeps canceling my Hotmail accounts. >Do not contact me again, ever. And stop >bothering me and my >company with this nonsense. Fine. It will be reposted, though. you have no legal right, have never demonstrated any legal right, and will never have any legal right to say otherwise. It's parody, protected under Fair Use, and nothing can change that, Gene. Now stop attacking my friends and harassing them needlessly. >I do not want to hear of this ever again. Good, then I will have no argument about it being reposted since you've obviously given up on the subject. If not, then please let me know, I will supply you with a phone number/email address for your lawyer to use to get in contact with me. :) Peace James Kendall By this point, I admit that I was goading Gene. I'm still waiting to hear from his lawyer/attorney/anyone. >Do not be mistaken, we will act against any >instance of infringement. >Do not think that despite my wish to never deal >with anymore of your harassing and unsolicited messages >we will not respond to any further transgressions. Gene, you have my email address. Please have your lawyer send me whatever information he has that I am breaking any law with my actions and I will be *glad* to desist. But you have yet to do so. I also want your word that whatever further action, whether legal or otherwise, that you are/where planning against David and his company you will drop right now. Once I hear from someone with actual legal training, then I will stop this, but I refuse to be bullied by you, Gene. I will not stand for this harassment of myself or my friends. >Gene Steinberg Peace James Kendall And right after this, nightrunner00 was canceled. It was here that David and I decided not to push the issue until we could clear up the damage that Gene had already inflicting and fortify for the next time. And there's the archives of the remaining email messages. If Gene would like to put up his side of the story, complete with actual emails, he is free to do so. I cut out a few pieces of Gene's stuff in my replies, but 95% of it remains. I am not posting Gene's actual emails since that would be a definite violation of his copyright since I don't have his permission to do so.