The Independent interview with Malcolm McDowell

June 8, 2000. Pg. 7 by Beverley D'Silva

    A hot, smoky basement in Lisle Street, in London's Chinatown. A gambling scene ensues. Enter a character called Gangster 55. His dinner suit's impeccable. His face is tortured, pugnacious, threatening. The temperature drops. Gangster finds his quarry, a jittery low-rent thief, corners
him and turns on that menace. It's nasty. Really nasty and it's the latest in a series of monstrous characters played by Malcolm McDowell.
    When the scene had wrapped, McDowell ambles over. "All right, darling? How was that?" he grins, cheerful as your Uncle Charlie.
    It's almost 30 years since McDowell delivered Alex de Large in Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange and made the world sit up and take notice. And today he can still turn the menace on and off like a tap. "I am a chameleon," he says. "If I'm given great dialogue, I can terrify, because I'll believe it. As soon as they say 'Cut', I'll say 'Give us a cup of tea'." Without the penguin suit McDowell looks younger than 57. His hair is cropped short and silver. The skin is tan, crosshatched with lines. Hemingwayed after 20 years of life outdoors in the Californian sun and sea. The eyes remain the same: wide, blue and capable of a blazing intensity to cause extreme discomfort in women and men. Anyone who's seen A Clockwork Orange cannot forget his stare of horror, pulled open by wire clamps so that deterrent images of naked women and violence may be
stamped on the retina.
    "I knew Clockwork Orange would be a great film, but I didn't know that we'd still be talking about it 30 years later. That's a great mark to Kubrick and to the writer Anthony Burgess," he says modestly.
    It is a peculiarity of McDowell's career that in his first five years he starred in not just one, but three of cinema's most controversial, exciting and ground-breaking films: Lindsay Anderson's if... (1968), A Clockwork Orange (1971), and O Lucky Man (1973) again with Anderson.
    McDowell's own upbringing was "lower middle". He was born in Leeds and raised in Bridlington, Yorkshire, where his father became a publican after the war, in which he'd flown Halifax bombers in the RAF. His parents stretched themselves to send young Malc to Cannock House, a minor public school in Eltham, south London.
    "They (the school) proceeded to beat the (Northern) accent out of me... I hated the place and loved it," he says. "I was reactionary. My headmaster was smart and used this. He made me head boy."
    So when McDowell read for Anderson, who was searching for his public- school anarchist Mick Travis, in If..., the director felt touched by the hand of some casting god. Working with heavyweights Anderson and Kubrick at this formative stage, McDowell's memories are marked by specific personal highs - and lows. Kubrick was renowned for being tough on his actors - Shelley Duvall still claims mental scars from working on The Shining - sometimes putting actors through 100 takes.
    "Stanley never did that to me. There were times we did 20 takes, but that was rare. What used to irritate him - and he was the control freak of all time - was if an actor was having a bad day, there wasn't a lot the genius of Mr. Kubrick could do about it. That used to piss him off. So he was careful about who he cast. And it was always with an eye to commercialism. He was a pragmatist in that respect."
    A residual bitterness hangs over one clash he had with Kubrick, when the director made him sign a waiver to remove his name from first billing on A Clockwork Orange. "He said he wanted to go straight into the film with no one's name out front. I thought great, I'll go with that. When I see the film, his name is up there five times before anyone else's. So it was a lie."
    Their intense relationship ended with the film's release. "I could not be a friend to Stanley. I did love him, of course, but in a different way to Lindsay, who was really a friend. Lindsay was a human, caring man. He didn't know as much about techniques of lighting and so on as Stanley did, but he understood the human condition. Humanity wasn't one of Stanley's strong points. His films were never about human feelings. He was a satirical film-maker."
    When O Lucky Man was a commercial failure, McDowell was wounded (he'd written the story outline). "After that I knew that the game was up in England. There was nothing for me." This feeling was exacerbated by the catastrophic Caligula, the notorious Roman-porn spectacular of 1979
which featured McDowell in the lead and was rubbished by censors and film-makers alike. It all proved too much for McDowell. He fled to the US to make his first Hollywood movie, Time After Time. He fell for his co-star Mary Steenburgen, a vision of Little Rock Arkansas niceness. They
married and had two children (Lilly, now 19, and Charlie, 16). When I interviewed Steenburgen, they were divorced and she'd married Ted Danson, she clearly held McDowell in great affection and called him "a sweet, sweet guy". He remains protective in as much as he will not discuss her.
    Having moved to America, McDowell found the first 10 years difficult. "It was hard finding work that wasn't absolute shit. Then you have to work, to pay the bills. I had to take a lot of things I probably would never have done here. Even so, I like to think I did the best I could with what I was offered. It's easier to be good in a great film than to be good in a bad one."
    He's certainly had a few to practice on. Aces High, Blue Thunder, some sci-fi light relief, such as Star Trek - for which he received death threats for killing-off Captain Kirk. "Someone had to do it," he said at the time.
    "A lot of what I've done (since emigrating) is very forgettable," he says now. "I've never thought - will this be good for my career? I think that's pathetic. I've turned down so much stuff - all crap. If I'm going to do crap I'd rather be paid top dollar and do crap in America. It takes an awful lot to get me to leave my homes and my kids."
    He alleviates the "crap" by working to critical acclaim on Broadway and in roles such as the ruthless porn baron Bennie Barratt in the BBC2 series Our Friends in the North. But does the legacy of those first three films continue still to haunt him? "I'm glad I started with such huge movies," he says defiantly. "I've had a phenomenal early career. Played some of the great parts an actor could wish to do in his lifetime. You can't keep that up unless you're one of the select few and those are mainly American. Although, Michael Caine's done all right. But I think that right now is maybe my time again."
    And so to Gangster No 1. Adapted by Johnny Ferguson from the stage play by Louis Mellis and David Scinto, the film is a searing study of greed, hatred and red-raw psychosis set in a London gangland in 1968 and the present day. It has been called "the last honest British gangster movie"
(Sight and Sound). The part was a gift for McDowell to play - a gangster who's been calcified by years of hatred and jealousy, who murders without remorse. Your classic psycho?
    "I feel no character I've played has been psychotic," he says. Er, what about Alex, and Caligula, and even Captain Kirk's executioner? "I wouldn't know how to play psychotic. Although Gangster is monstrous, of course."
    McDowell opens and shuts the film and provides the voice-over narration - "the music to the piece. The attracttion for me was the script, the best writing I've seen in years. It's not Lock Stock, it's not a gangster movie. It's way past that, which makes it so fascinating. It's like a Shakespearean tragedy.
    Gangster No 1 is another step towards his British comeback. The theatre could do the rest. He ponders the possibility of re-staging the play of Gangster No 1 in London (it was originally on at the Royal Court). Live theatre suits his restless energy, he says. "I like to intuitively see how it goes on the day. Sometimes I barely know my lines. I want to be like an empty page. Totally on the edge. Dying sometimes."
    I think the States will always hold him though. His children and his second wife, the artist Kelly Kuhr, are there. He met Kuhr five years ago. She is now 29. "She updated me," he says. "The first thing to go was my Beatle haircut. I've got a lot to thank her for." After the interview, he introduces me to Khur. She is very pretty - and soft as Bambi. And so, in his own way, is McDowell.
    "I've always had to live down A Clockwork Orange because ever since, with the exception of O Lucky Man, I've been cast as the heavy. It used to irritate me and then I just got bored with it. I wanted to get on, maybe make a few comedies, but there was Alex..." He shrugs, then continues unconvincingly, "I don't take the work very seriously any more. I enjoy what I do, then I walk away from it." And then he asks for a cup of tea. 'Gangster No 1' (certificate 18) opens tomorrow

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