AFTER I SAW DIRTBAGS, I DECIDED I HAD TO DROP SOME QUESTIONS TO BILL ZEBUB, THE DIRECTOR BEHIND THIS SICK MASTERPIECE. I LIKED A LOT THE WAY HE COULD TRANSFER ON SCREEN THE ANXIETIES AND GENERAL MAYHEM OF AN ALWAYS FORGOTTEN (BUT ALSO CONSTANTLY GROWING) SOCIAL CLASS: THE EXTREME UNDERGROUND. ZEBUB'S CHARACTERS ARE NOT NICE NOR CLEAN, AND HIS VISION WILL LEAVE YOU IN STITCHES A LOT OF TIMES, GUARANTEED. I TRIED TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS WHICH SHOULD HAVE SCARED THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FILM-MAKER AND WELL, BILL KICKED MY SORRY ASS BIG TIME, SO HERE WE GO!!!

GD- Please introduce yourself, your movie company and your works to our readers.
I am (ich bin, ju suis, ja sem) Bill Zebub. and my movie company is a bit new - it is a division of my magazine company (The Grimoire of Exalted Deeds). So I make movies and magazines that make a lot of people angry, heh heh.

GD- How did you get into filmmaking? Is there any director or movie you admire particulary?
I had always made videos for people to watch, ever since I was given a video camera for antichrist-mas a long time ago. The first thing I did was to zoom over to a mall and interview every beautiful girl I saw. I told the girls that I am a college student and that I am making a social documentary. i really had no questions, so after one or two normal statements i would become absurd, and that made some girls laugh and some girls angry. I promised each girl that as soon as I compiled 2 hours worth of material that i would mail them free copies. I made three of these videos and sadly did not marry any of the girls. One night I went to a supermarket to buy a late night snack, and a carload of friends sped by, beeping the horn and yelling. For some reason, I had my video camera with me, as well as fake beards. Well, we drove around all night bothering people and filming what we did. It was so much fun that we did that again and again. While I was compiling the footage onto a vdeo tape, dubbing only from one vcr to another, which is extremely frustrating, I was invited to a huge party. When I came to the party, I brought the videotape with me, and after a few hours of drinking, I asked if I could play the videotape for my friends. The host led us to a smaller room because the main room with the big television was occupied by too many people who seemed to prefer music. Well, in the smaller room I was sent to, people I didn't know started to come in - they were attracted by the laughter. When it became more crowded, the host decided to let us play the tape on the bigger television, and to quickly became impossible to hear the audio - everyone was laughing so hard. I didn't think anyone would like my stuff unless he or she were in it. All night people kept asking me how they could get copies, and that was the beginning of my movie-making. As the videotapes got passed around, I met more and more people who wanted to become involved. I think that is what has led to my growth - I always worked with people who already knew about my unusual ideas. It's actually funny when I receive resumes from real actors and actresses. None of them have any bravery. As soon as they read the script I never hear from them again. Ha ha. I'm sorry for being so long and boring... you wanted to know about directors... I liked John Waters' movie "Desperate Living" - when I first saw that, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was so "wrong" in every sense. John Waters doesn't make movies like that anymore, but maybe that is because he could never top what he accomplished with "Desperate Living".

GD- So far I just watched your movie "Dirtbags". What's the main idea behind it?
it was a bit of an experiment. I wanted to see what would happen if I make all of the main characters unlikeable. I also wanted to make a complex plot structure. It's funny when some people tell me that parts of the movie make no sense to them. They think it's just random absurdity. The movie is not for them. I wrote the movie so that you will discover new things each time that you see it. It was so much fun to write a movie that way that I have written an even more complex structure for a movie that Iwill begin filming in May. Having said this, I can't really sum up what Dirtbags is about in just one or two sentences. Maybe I can say that it is the opposite of The Brady Bunch.

GD- You're probably one of the few directors into exploiting the darker sides of extreme music lifestyles, what can you tell me about this?
Thanks for noticing, heh heh. Actually, I get a lot of criticism from other independent movie makers - they ask me why I prefer to have heavy music in the soundtrack, and I ask them, "Have you taken a good look at the characters?" I actually had a movie called "Metalheads" and when i head, "Why is the soundtrack metal?" I want to start kicking people. One of the reasons why I like to have metalhead characters is because no other kind of music has these personalities. I was in a diner with some non-metal people and we were having a chat about our high school days - when I was telling the table about my experiences, people were crying from laughing so hard. They told me that I should be a comedian - that I didn't have to invent jokes - I could just tell the audience about my life. There is something special about us, and I believe that our various attitudes and lifestyles as very entertaining to people outside of metal. Most stupid Americans still think that metalheads use the word "dude" all the time. It's time to teach them some reality.

GD- Your humour is some of the most un-PC I've seen in ages coming outta the States, did you have problems with "Dirtbags" release? The DVD cover says it has been banned in 69 countries...
I can never match the quality of a hollywood movie. I also know that for a movie to be mainstream, it has to follow certain rules. Knowing this, I break all of those rules on purpose. So I may not have the beautiful quality of Hollywood, but I do have material which Hollywod can never explore. My movies actually do get on some store shelves, but never on the big stores. For some reason, the movies are on big web sites, like www.bestbuy.com - but the actual physical stores do not dare to stock them. I have a movie called "Jesus Christ:Serial Rapist" and I am happy with the slogan "First he nails you, then he NAILS you!" - but some christians made flyers and protested and sent letters to the corporate offices of stores - and now the movei has been taken off the shelves. That is bcause America is not a free country. In this country we are ruled by the American Taliban - I am hoping that a superpower will invade here and liberate us from the religious tyranny.

GD- Ok, what do you think about Michael Moore? In a certain way, he's also trying to subvert the Stupid American mentality...
If he is the person I think you are referring to, I think he is a fat, gay, slob. You are talking about the guy who makes the propaganda movies and calls them "documentaries", right? Like "Bowling for Columbine because Michael Moore is a sloppy faggot?" He is a very dangerous person because he makes people who disagree with him appear to be imbeciles. A documentary, or at least a scientific documentary, should not have a personal agenda - true science is about observation, not proving a viewpoint. In one of his fake-documentaries he had a cartoon about a bullet and about why white people like to have guns - and there was a very obvious piece of propaganda there about white people being afraid of black people for no good reason at all. I don't own a gun, and I don't think that I ever will. But I was so mad after I saw that cartoon that I would have beaten the shit out of Moore if I encountered him within the next 48 hours. It is soooooo easy for fat idiots like him to make stupid generalizations about people, but I really doubt that he knows anything about the subjects he covers. He is just spreading his gay propaganda, choosing the most stupid people to represent the opinions he hates, and the most charismatic people are selected to represent his personal viewpoint. His interpretations of problems are shallow and uninformed. I will send 5 of my DVD's free to anyone who beats this fat asshole up!

GD- What about the girls involved in Dirtbags? Is it difficult to find girls eager to get undressed on screen in the States or what? They just hump to the "great possibility"?
This is a very good question. Let me just begin by saying that you go far in life with the right friends. I never really planned to make DVD's, and I never planned to have an all-glossy magazine that has been translated into several languages. It sort of happened because I never let go of an opportunity. Before I made full-length movies, I made skits - and after I had 2 hours of skits I would release a video. This is obviously after my other beginnings which I mentioned before. Well, I had a friend who was a vendor at a popular horror convention, and she told me that she would let me sit with her and sell my videos, free of charge. I learned a lot, even though I have not yet made a horror movie. After that weekend of horror fun, I talked to the girl about making my skits a little more naughty, but not as naughty as the movies that she was already in. She did a skit for me, and then others worked with me because of my friend's big name in the scene. Those girls then spread the word that I was very respectful toward them and that I never acted inappropriately. So I never had problems getting the right girls for those naughty scenes. When I began to learn more about making movies and made some full-length DVD's, the scenes became a bit more naughty because I like to push boundaries. My current movie "Metal Radio - KCUF" had too many girls! I had to tell some girls that there is just too much, and even though I let six of them go, there is still a lot of gratuitous nudity in this one. In my next movie, STEREOTPES DON'T JUST DISAPPEAR INTO THIN AIR, there will be less material like that because I need the ultra shocking story ideas to be the main focus. But let me make one thing clear, these girls do not just happily take their clothes off for anyone who asks them to. I am only able to be in my position because I have earned their trust.

GD- Speaking of metal and metalheads, what are your fave bands? What do you think of the not already so-much-exploited connection between heavy metal/punk music and movies?
I was in a bar once and I was laughing to myself because there were two guys who looked like Benjamin Frankin who were talking about some gay glam band, and I was thinking about how pathetic it is that some people can't get past their senior year in high school, mentally. They dress the same, talk the same, think the same, and listen to the same stupid albums. Then I realized that I am somewhat guilty of that. I love Mercyful Fate's "Melissa" and "Don't Break the Oath." Those are my favorite albums and I still listen to them. But I also listen to a lot of other stuff. Kind of cool. I have come a long way, so i am not stuck in that era, but I do love those albums. I don't really see a connection between metal and movies. Movies here seem to prefer the cheesiest pop. I never considered glam to be metal, but American movies which featured glam made it seem like glam was metal, and that poisoned the mainstream against real metal. I mean, metalheads hate glamfags more than any other subculture does, and yet the mainstream thought that glam was metal.

GD- George from George is Dead band is in "Dirtbags". What do you think of his violent stage performing? Are you into such stuff as GG Allin and on and on?
I never heard a GG Allen song and I never saw any pictures of him or saw his shows. I only heard about him. The only band that I watch purely for the visual aspect is GWAR, but I liked their "Scumdogs of the Universe" album too. I'm not much interested in defecation or watching a naked man on stage,, which is what I heard GG was all about. But George is a different story. George is intelligent and funny, and he is careful not to show his genitals or his waste matter on stage. It's really crazy - he actually cuts his head with razor blades. There have been times when I paused while talking to him because I was distracted by all the scars on his head. I think that would prevent him from getting a job in the corporate environment. For his scene in the beginning of the Dirtbags movie, I actually have over two hours of footage. We decided to get drunk for that experience. I was just drinking beer, and he was drinking a bottle of whiskey like it was a refreshing sports beverage. I can't stand watching that footage because I was such an idiot. I have scars all over my chest from cigarette burns, as well as on the back of my neck. I don't know how that happened. I also think that I also came close to setting his apartment on fire because there were lit cigarettes on his carpet and on his couch. If you look at the scene again, there is a huge book that I am looking into. George had to write my lines in really big letters, and we hid that paper very well so it looked like I was not reading from it. I became more stupid with every sip of beer, but George became smarter. What I should do is make an anniversary DVD and put bonus material of George making fun of how stupid I am.

GD- "Dirtbags" seems to explore certain kinds of love relationships... is this a right hint or was it just for fun? Did you try to recall some happening, or to shape a general law for the moustached & mulleted metal outlaws falling in love?
Well, I realized that there is a recurring theme in my movies - and that is about cheating. "Frailty, thy name is woman." Well, I changed the villains of the cheating situations in the METAL RADIO movie - I made the women faithful - it was the guys who were the betrayers. In Stereotypes... I made it equal between the genders. I think that infidelity is a subject that a lot of people are familiar with. It is one of the few things that some people can identify with in my stories. In Shakespeare's comedies, everyone gets married. In my comedies, everyone dies.

GD- What about the status of independent moviemaking in the States now? Is it easy to get started and get a distribution, or do you need someone bigger than you to push your stuff?
For some reason, I didn't mind giving out videotapes for free, but I learned that a lot of very successful people started by giving out their things for free, whether the stuff they were giving out was free cookies or free movies. My magazine began as a free newsletter. Most people do not like the idea of spending money like this. I just wanted to get known. i didn't have a business plan. When I started the newsletter, I gave myself free ads for my videotapes, and that was the beginning of a sort of distribution. When my magazine began to look more professional, it got into music stores. Loyal readers helped me with that - they would bring the mag to their favorite shops. As I became more known through the magazine, I would then ask the smaller stores if they would carry my videotapes. When I finally took that giant step into DVD"s, it became very easy to get my movies into the private stores. The big corporate chains still wouldn't touch me. When I made the death metal documentary, a big distributor approached me with a contract. Of course I signed the contract right away. The same distribitor then bought the rights to two of my other movies. Best of all, the movies which they did not buy the rights to are nonetheless being distributed by them in a wholesale arrangement. I am now very happy because I know that any movie I make will be distributed worldwide by this company. It is www.musicvideodistributors.com. To fully answer your questino, you can surely make movies and release them on your own, with your own push, but you need a distributor to get into the big corporate chains.

GD- You mentioned Shakespeare, what about literature? Do you have any fave writer, and does literature affect your movie-mokaing in some way or not at all?
The most recent author whose works I enjoy is Terry Goodkind. I am glad that I took a chance on his book "Wizard's First Rule" which is a sort of medieval fantasy. I am currently doing post production on a sexploitational version of Mary Shelley's "Frankensteing" - it is called "Frankenstein the Rapist" - but I will make a horror version of it in the Autumn, if I get permission to use certain special music, That is my favorite book of all time. When I first read it a long time ago I fell into such a deep depression that I ultimately lost the relationship I was in. So in that sense, yes, some literature has affected me as far as movie making. But I am now trying to become affected visually - to be a bit more artistic. Comedy does not require such careful attention. Laurel and Hardy, my favorite comedy actors, had very basic camerawork in most of the material. I own everything they ever did that has become available on video. I went through a stage in which I could not sake their influence away, and I had to force myself to stop thinking with them in my head. Their comedy has a slower tempo, and that is not successful these days.

GD- In Dirtbags we see a very Un-PC scene where a guy isn't allowed to enter in a house because is black. Why did you use such a savage humor for such a "red-alert" issue for the States? Are you familiar with what Jim Goad wrote in "The Redneck Manifesto" about blacks?
This is the first time that I am revealing the secret of that scene to anyone. I was a friend of a genius a very long time ago, and before I met him I believed all of the propaganda about LSD. Well, this genius loved experimenting with it. This made me research the drug in various journalas and valid texts, and I eventually decided that i would try it. The genius treated the drug like a sacrament. It wasn't like getting drunk at a party. There were various activities for the imagination. The genius was a good guide, but he moved away. I continued to try the drug every once in a while, and there was a short period in which it became very scarce. I had a friend at the time who did a lot of stupid things. I sent him to look for the drug, and as I was relaxing in my house, the doorbell rang and one of my parents answered the door. I waited for my friend to come into the house, and all of a sudden I saw this street nigger and I pushed both of them out fo my house. I hastily told my freind to get the fuck in the car and I made some excuse to my parents when I came back inside. I am not friends with that asshole anymore. How could he possibly think that he could bring a thug into my house and introduce him as if there is nothing wrong with the situation? The funny thing is, the street nigger sold my friend three objects that must have been carved soap, and he called them "jumbo mescalines" - I refused to eat them, but my friend ate them all. It would have been funny if bubbles came out of his mouth when he talked. Anyway, I never forgot that night and I had always planned to use it for a movie, or maybe a skit. I decided to change the way it happend so that it fit the story better. The reason for it in DIRTBAGS was to establish some character traits. One ditbag - Andy - is not prejudiced, but at the same time, he doesn't like anyone. He only thinks of himself. The other dirtbag is very prejudiced, and he hates niggers because of their street behavior. The dirtbag's father is a brainwashed christian, and he is prejudiced against niggers in a different way. I actually played the part of the nigger. In the movie, the nigger looked more like a clown than a thug beause the scene was about the dirtbags, not about the nigger. I don't know who that author is whom you mentioned. I read David Duke's book out of curiosity. I am not interested in politics, especially American politics. In my opinion, people should only vote if the IQ of the person is over 125. That will never become a reality, obviously, When I include racial humor in my movies, it is partly done for shock value and because it is an alternative to what normal movies offer. But comedy is also a social mirror, and the racial humor is nothing new. Anerica had a period of blind hate, and now it is going through a period of blind love, or at least that is the propaganda in the media these days. That suits me because it makes my stories stand out from the rest. I personally think that it is stupid to be politically correct. it shows a complete absence of thinking.

GD- What are your next plans, moviewise and magazinewise?
I have a lot of projects this year. As I said before, when I started out, one of the things that I did was to behave strangely in public while someone was videotaping me. I stopped doing that because I thought that making skits was the nect level. And then I decided that making full movies was the next level. Now I am returning to other things. I am making a skits dvd, called "Skits-O-Phrenia" - skits of the mind. I am making a DVD called "Asshole" which is about doing strange things in public. I plan to wear balckface and then go to basketball courts in poor neighborhoods to ask if I can play. I really hope that I don't get stabbed, but if I do, it will be on video. Two more comedies and three horror movies. That is quite a lot of activity for the rest of the year, don't you think?

GD- Here you have a free space to say whatever you want to our readers. You can be VERY nasty, if you will.
There is no reason for me to be nasty to your readers, actually. I would be nasty, of course, if one of them led a protest, ha ha. Some of your readers will think I am an asshole because of the things that i said, but they would think that about me anyway. It is better that only a few people like what I do.

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