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archiving offline sites dedicated to New Order and related bands
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UPDATE: (07 Feb 2004): Added Atrocity Exhibition (1996) and Power Corruption And Lies (2001) The Archive Includes the Discographies of New Order (1992) and Electronic (1995), Atrocity Exhibition (1996) and Power, Corruption And Lies (2001) The Project Info about the project of the archive. How past and present webmasters can contribute to save offline New Order contents. |
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The Archive
- The New Order Discography v1.0
This text file was posted in September 1992 to some UseNet newsgroups by Richard Kernin and Dennis Remmer. It's history, one of the first things ever appeared on the Internet dedicated to New Order, the birth of the Discography website which can now be found at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder. Many thanks for allowing me to proudly archive it on this site, absolutely nothing has been modified (except for a footnote written to point here casual visitors from search engines), it's just what you can still find on the Google Groups archive.
- The Electronic Discography
This text file, written in 1995 by Richard Kernin and Dennis Remmer has been found through the Wayback Machine, it was on the same server of the New Order Discography, which by then had become a proper website. The original address was http://www.niagara.edu/~rpk/Electronic/electronic. The Electronic Discography has not been mantained, though you can find an updated one on World In Motion.
- Atrocity Exhibition
The site was started in 1992 by Bernt Ronstadt as a text file on FTP named joy.division. In 1995 the file was first published also converted to HTML. This is an original text version from 1996, one of the latest editions updated by Ronstadt, before moving to the American Dave Furquhar. THe original address was http://www.fys.uio.no/~bor/diskog/ascii/joy.division. It's amazingly a sort of complete site on text (4997 lines, 159 KB!), featuring a Discography, a Biography, and extensive lists of concerts, bootlegs and covers. Many thanks to Magnus.
- Power, Corruption And Lies
This site started in 2000, this is the archived version from 2001 of what will become NewOrderBrasil.com, a really complete site in Portuguese. Thanks to Carlos Une for the link.
The Project
I've started linking to archives of offline sites on Movement. This is sometimes really interesting, like checking the original Electronic Discography on a text file written by Richard Kernin and Dennis Remmer... I've also found back Colin Law's Ceremony site (the first I've ever seen about New Order back in the mid-90s)...
I think it would be nice to save these sites from being forgotten by archiving them ourselves. What I'm thinking is setting archives on the servers we're using and archiving an average appearance of the site in its former days. I mean, I'm not thinking, for example, at archiving the whole Ceremony site as archived on the Wayback Machine, but only reproducing what it looked like by archiving at least one file for each kind of those archived there (like, one for the New Order discography page, one for the links page etc...). It would just take saving the images, the HTML sources, and adapting them to your servers (mostly image and page links). We wouldn't need too much time.
What we need now, two things:
1 webmasters volunteering to archive at least one site.
2 former webmasters authorising the copy and the archiving of their former sites. Of course I'm not going to archive a whole site without an authorisation.
As the simplest example, I'd like to archive the Electronic Discography. It's one text page. I just need to save it and put it on my server. What I also need, and I'm asking, is the authorisation from Remmer and/or Kernin to archive it as an historic document. Or any other former webmaster to tell me it's OK if I save their sites.
Of course I volunteer to save at least one site, I'm just waiting for a former webmaster to tell me it's OK if I archive their site.
- Unfortunately some images are missing on the Wayback Machine. I think it'll be enough for the archivers warning that the images are missing because of the Wayback and not of them or the former webmasters.
We're not trying to do a perfect reproduction of the sites here, otherwise we'd ask for original archived material from the hard disks of the former webmasters, but that'd be more complex operation. We're just trying to give an idea of how the site was to surf, how it was structured and how it looked like, what news and links it featured at the time etc...
- I think the most interesting thing is to archive the oldest versions available of the site (which can be reproduced in their entirety of course, not those missing important pages if there are other more recent but more complete).
For example I'd archive the June 05, 1997 version of Ceremony.
I hope this project will work, some sites have already been lost (there's only one page left of the Atrocity Exhibition), we now have the chance to archive the sites that can be saved before they're lost as well.
Please, any other webmaster who'd like to archive, let everyone know on Ceremony and Faclist.
Any webmaster who'd like to give authorisation for the archive of their site, write privately to one of the volunteering webmasters.
Please, especially you former webmasters (hello Colin, Dennis etc.), E Mail me privately as I'm on the digests. Allow us to save those bits of history you wrote at the time. If anyone replies please use the "reply all" button so I'll receive the message privately. Please forward other important messages.
Thanks to those who'll contribute to this project.
mick: mick973@email.it
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