Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:12:34 -0000 From: auvenj@mailcity.com Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: [lpaz-repost] (fwd) "The LNC Needs to Sue" by Jacob G. Hornberger To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
This situation should be very revealing. On the one hand we have a clear and admitted case of _at least_ one (maybe/likely more) individual(s) violating Libertarian principle by the commission of fraud against every member of the Libertarian Party. Then on the other hand, we have this very muddy insinuation that there might be "trademark infringement" by the ALP, who had their name long before the LP's current affiliate even existed, and whose dispute with the national LP arose at least in part due to the very fraud that is now known to have existed.
Which of these two cases, if any, will the LNC choose to pursue via lawsuit? If they pursue both cases, which one will they pursue with the most commitment and resources?
If LNC sues ALP and fails to sue Willis & company, or launches only a "token" suit against Willis & company, even I will lose all hope for the national LP.
Frankly, I'd much rather see a private solution than a lawsuit. Clean out everyone on LNC and LP HQ staff who knew or should have known about what was going on. Pass a resolution prohibiting the party from doing business with those individuals, including and especially the use of the party's mailing list, for ten years. Require bonding of all paid party staff with a fidciary responsibility to the party. I'm sure there are other measures I haven't thought of that are also appropriate. Will some guilty people slip through the cracks? Probably. But I guess I just don't have any faith in the courts to give us a solution that's any better, and as usual the lawyers and judges will suck our money down a legal rathole. So I'm really not in favor of a lawsuit against anyone.
BUT if LNC decides to sue ALP and not Willis...the hypocrisy is going to be too much for even me to stomach. Sayo-f-n-nara. :-)
--Jason Auvenshine
--- In lpaz-discuss@y..., Paul Schauble <pls@t...> wrote: > Anyone who hasn't seen Jacob Hornberger's article on suspicious
> transactions and conflict of interest between the national
Libertarian > Party and the two Harry Brown campaigns can find it at
> http://www.jacobghornberger.com
>
> In my humble opinion, Jacob nicely explains the need for the LNC to
> launch a lawsuit, discovery, and testimony under oath to determine
the > extent of and to gain restitution for a number of corrupt
transactions > between the LNC, Harry Brown's two campaigns, and several
individuals. >
> Unfortunately, he also makes the case that the LNC can't do it.
Given > the LNC's record over the last 5 years, they might publicly retain
> an attorney and publicly tell him to dig while privately telling
> him not to find anything. More likely, the LNC will do nothing and
> hope it blows over.
>
> There's another way. Any member of the national LP during this
period, > roughly 1995 trough 2000, or, I think, any state affiliated party,
> has standing to bring suit against any of these parties. A group of
> national LP members could combine funds to retain an attorney and
> proceed. A suit brought by members is more likely to be productive
> than one that is essentially the LNC investigating itself once more.
>
> As a seed for this effort I have created a mailing list
> LPMemberSuit@y... to help interested members find each
> other. If you want to lurk, this group does not have a visible
> membership list.
>
> You may join be sending a blank email message to
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>
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>
> ++PLS
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