Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 20:13:07 -0700 From: pls@thekeep.com (Paul Schauble) Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] Jason Proves: Inc. Is a Party To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
"Party Not Designated". IOW, they left the space blank.
++PLS
bobhunt@erols.com wrote: >
> what is "PND"?
>
> they have more than LBT
>
> bh
>
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 01:45:23 -0700, Paul Schauble <pls@thekeep.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If I may add one piece of information to this fray...
> >
> >Arizona law allows a person to register any way they please and their
> >registration must be recorded that way. As an example, here is the
> full
> >set of registration code counts for Maricopa County in 1999. Note the
> >9 people registered with the TEA party.
> >
> > ++PLS
> >
> >Party CountOfParty
> >A-I 57
> >ALT 34
> >AME 22
> >BIP 85
> >CON 230
> >COS 4
> >D-I 43
> >D-R 76
> >DEM 503459
> >FED 6
> >GRN 1201
> >HRD 2
> >I-A 4
> >I-D 34
> >I-L 1
> >I-R 65
> >IDP 21
> >IND 98231
> >LBT 9758
> >LIB 1338
> >NAP 206
> >NLP 62
> >NON 3681
> >P-F 17
> >PND 101381
> >POP 36
> >R-D 35
> >REP 693677
> >RPA 411
> >S-D 3
> >S-L 2
> >S-W 13
> >SOC 58
> >TEA 9
> >TOR 1
> >WHI 9
> >
> >
> >Mickey wrote:
> >>
> >> At 7:09 PM +0000 5/28/01, auvenj@mailcity.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >So, the purpose of this experiment was simply to find out: Does
> the
> >> >state IN FACT treat ALP, Inc. as a political party in regards to
> >> >something that is easily testable (voter registration)? ...
> >>
> >> And did they treat ALP, Inc. as a political party? Yes, absolutely.
> >> They accepted a registration naming, specifically, that party and
> >> issued a registration card in response. If you'd tried registering
> >> with the "Pizza Every Day" party, I doubt that it would have been
> >> accepted. It sure sounds to me like they recognized Inc. as a
> party.
> >>
> >> Did they treat it as a party separate and distinct from ALP?
> >> Apparently not. And the reason for that needs to be determined. Did
> >> some minimum wage clerk see "Libertarian" and think you *meant*
> ALP?
> >> Does the clerk even know that there is contention over the
> Libertarian
> >> designation?
> >>
> >> The card issued in response to the application *proves* nothing. It
> >> does *demonstrate* what happens when such a designation is made on
> a
> >> voter registration form. Until we know *why* the card was issued as
> it
> >> was, we really know very little. What process is normally followed
> >> when a registration is submitted? Did the SOS bureaucrat check with
> a
> >> supervisor?
> >>
> >> Did the SOS bureaucrat making the "LBT" assignment even know that
> >> someone had to sign for your wife's application? (I ask this
> because
> >> you attach significance to the fact that it was sent registered,
> >> which, you say, flags it as something out of the ordinary and
> worthy
> >> of special attention, special treatment. But suppose the mail room
> >> never mentioned this to the office to which this was eventually
> >> delivered?) You see, until we know what process was followed, we
> >> really don't know a great deal. They may have seen nothing at all
> out
> >> of the ordinary, noted the word "libertarian" and entered "LBT"
> with
> >> no more thought than is given to any other registration.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The fact that the state did not treat ALP, Inc. as a politcal
> party
> >> >is not a "mistake" or a "clerical error" until and unless someone
> >> >from the state says, "oops, that isn't what we meant to do."
> >>
> >> Oh, c'mon. It's not a mistake until the person or entity making the
> >> mistake admits it? Sorry, that's nonsense.
> >>
> >> I certainly think it was an interesting experiment and it
> more-or-less
> >> answers the question I posed long ago regarding what party all
> those
> >> people that Inc. registered ended up in.
> >>
> >> The SOS would be opening up a huge can-o-worms to start
> distinguishing
> >> voter registrations between the two "Libertarian Parties" now
> because
> >> it would mean that the many registrations filed by Inc. were
> >> erroneous. I'll bet they'll be really happy to have that come out.
> >>
> >> I have to agree with others that, until you have tried to "correct"
> >> the voter registration and been told that 1) Inc. is NOT a party;
> or
> >> 2) Inc. and ALP are the SAME party; or 3) something else, then
> nothing
> >> has been "proven".
> >>
> >> In summary, if this experiment has done anything to demonstrate
> >> whether the State of Arizona recognizes Inc. as a party, it has
> been
> >> to answer in the affirmative; your wife's registration, which was
> >> quite specific in naming Inc., WAS ACCEPTED. One cannot draw any
> >> conclusion other than that the State of Arizona recognizes ALP,
> Inc.
> >> as a party.
> >>
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