Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:53:52 -0700
From: rsrchsoc@ionet.net (John Wilde)
Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: Libertarian Platform
To: ernesthancock@inficad.com (Ernest Hancock)
Cc: c.heller@juno.com (Charles F Heller)
Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com

Ernie, Charles,

If we could only revisit the history of this "problem" of "immigration" then the need to limit immigration would never be a problem again.

Prior to the 1880's early 90's all Congress did (and was authorized to do) was make uniform rules for naturalization, which is provided for in the Constitution. They passed no laws regarding immigration. Immigration was regulated, but not limited prohibited by the states.

What all the states did, until the 1880's/90's, was require that anyone that immigrated to their state was that they have a sponsor. It was usually a member of the family, sometimes a distant relative from an immigration generations earlier. The "sponsor" had the responsibility of educating the new mmigrant about the "responsibilities" they would have once they became a naturalized citizen. It is amazing how many people in this country understood the Constitution and the law prior to the turn of the century (19th to 20th). The people did that job well and when the new immigrant had fullfilled all of the requirements he applied for and was then naturalized as a citizen with all the rights and responsibilities as a natural born citizen.

Then came those fateful 80's and 90's when Congress enacted immigration reform laws" and began limiting immigration. Actually more people immigrated in those first few years after the new immigration laws than had immigrated in the 10-15 years combined before the new immigration laws.

The result was under the new law that immigration was now permitted without a sponsor. The new immigrants were taught by the government, instead of their sponsor, in group classes about "citizenship and the constitution" similar to the way it is being taught even today.

This is also the time when large groups of workers invovled in the old European "guild" system immigrated and they formed their communities with people from their previous nationalities, but also subneighborhoods based upon the particular trade or guild. These guilds were the predecessors to the unions that cropped and began to take control of labor in the 1920's.

So the current so-called immigration problem is actually the outgrowth of a stupid policy that occurred 110 years or so ago. This stupid poliy is also a major contributing factor in the rise of national socialism (fascism) in this country in the teens and 20's, which was then finally consolidated during the "raw - I mean - new deal" Roosevelt administration.

So like any true libertarian, I do not oppose immigration. What must be done is to make sure that those who come here understand their rights and responsibilities. Something the current policy does not account for.

End federal government control on immigration, go back to sponsored immigration where the immigrant is now able to learn his or her rights and responsibilities without the "government line". Of course that presupposes that the people that live here now have reacquired the lost knowledge about the law and the constitution. That's where we come in.

g'day John Wilde

Ernest Hancock wrote:

> > 3) "RESIDENCY and TRAVEL:
> > Our definition of freedom includes border passage and travel without
> > government harassment. We oppose the practice of road blocks and
> > check points as a form of warrantless search. We oppose quotas and
> > other restrictions on immigration. We oppose any state government
> > action in the round up of suspected illegal immigrants. We oppose
> > government required identification cards. We support giving sanctuary
> > to political refugees and call for the immediate termination of criminal
> > prosecutions against people assisting refugees.
> >
> > One of the few legitimate functions of government is the pro-
> > tection of its borders. You and I have the right to protect the premises
> > in which we live from intrusion. We therefore have the right to delegate
> > to government that function for us on a national scale. Reasonable im-
> > igration numbers are a legitimate function of government. You don't
> > have a country if you don't have borders.
>
> This is the one issue that outs most non-libertarians. The opinion of
> libertarians (which is a nice way of saying, the truth as they see it) is
> that freedom can't have borders and those that even tink it can can never
> be truly free. The idea that you can delegate power to the collective that
> which you would not be able to do as an individual is VERY unlibertarian.
> Example: Libertarians believe in the death penalty under the following
> conditions,... at the scene of the crime to prevent harm or loss of life
> (basically). They do not believe that the power to kill can be delegated to
> the state when it would be illegal for you to kill an individual that did
> not present an immediate threat toyou (again, a fully informed jury would
> be sympathetic to a woman that laid waste to some pediphile that had just
> molested her daughter). Once you delegate the authority to infringe on the
> rights of others then you will be next. Libertarians can see only benefit
> from ANY number of people coming to America to WORK. If any individual
> violates the rights of another, THEN they are to be punished. Productive
> people that seek a better live by going to where they can support themselves
> and their families is only a benefit to all,... except the slakers that
> think that a surplus in work force will take their jobs away or reduce their
> pay due to their inability to keep up through talent or effort,... that's
> called free-market capitalism and what the United States is suppose to be
> all about,... duh. You'll never convince a true libertarian that being born
> somewhere gives you more rights to freedom than any other human being.
> America was all about that very thing and why the Statue of Liberty is the
> LP logo.
>

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