Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:00:36 -0700 From: auvenj@mailcity.com ("Jason Auvenshine") Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: Microsoft Executive Says...(details from my warped brain) To: auvenj@lycos.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Hey Mark,
In case you didn't see my earlier announcement, I'm on Paternity leave right now which is why I've been very slow to respond to email.
IMHO Microsoft is a case of a company slammed by the government for being too successful...and then deciding the only course of action is to fight fire with fire. Microsoft's competitors and some politicians irked at a relative dearth of campaign contributions eminating from Redmond have succeeded in doing something with government power that they had completely failed to do in the marketplace: threaten Microsoft's very existance and force drastic changes in their organization and market strategy. Microsoft's unfortunate but predictable response is to attempt to use that same government power against the enemies Microsoft has been unsuccessful at competing against, such as open source software. Plus, of course, generating a drastic increase in the amount of campaign money flowing out of Redmond.
"Unfortunately, like the Libertarian Party, the Open-Source movement most often gets represented by unrealistic and uncompromising malcontents. A very vocal minority."
Concerning the Libertarian Party...Instead of "unrealistic and uncompromising malcontents" I'd recommend "malcontented nutcases." :) There certainly are a _few_ of those in both the Libertarian Party and the open-source movement. But beware of the siren-song of "reasonable compromise" and the demonization of those who will not engage in it. Compromise is what morphed the Democrats into left-leaning socialists and the Republicans into right-leaning socialists. What the major parties have forgotten is what our founding fathers knew about our rights...they are inalienable. "Inalienable" permits no compromise and no negotiation. It is absolute, or it doesn't exist at all.
For example, either I posess an inalienable right to speak my mind...or I do not. If I do not posess such a right, then any speech that I am permitted is but a gift from the government even if it encompases 99.9% of the things I might choose to say. ANY compromise of the right of free speech grants to those who would deny it a complete victory...they have succeeded in defining the "right" as a gift from government that can be modified or taken away by the will of the majority (really just a majority of the politicians!) All that remains is to whip up the will of that majority to whatever ends they desire, and your "right" goes away...meaning it's not a "right" at all. The oft-cited counter of shouting fire in a crowded theater is a bogus argument for limiting free speech...since such an act constitutes fraud and active harm against others -- just as the right to keep and bear arms does not imply that you have the right to shoot anyone you please. These are not compromises; they are simply a recognition that your rights end where the inalienable rights of others begin. Quite a different matter altogether from prohibiting the conveyance of instructions for making methamphetamine or the instructions for copying a DVD...or prohibiting the civilian ownership of full-auto firearms. If the former "reasonable compromise" restrictions on free speech are allowed to stand, as the latter "reasonable compromise" restriction on the right to keep and bear arms was allowed to stand...we shall eventually find the first amendment to be as gutted as the second is now, perhaps in an even shorter span of time. That's not "unrealistic"...history shows it to be a fact again and again.
It has taken me a while to get to the point where I understand the reasoning and motivation behind the "no compromise" approach, and why a refusal to compromise is so demonized by the people with your rights on their menu. Certainly, the LP has a few paranoids and other assorted nuts who use it as a platform to exhibit their particular form of mental illness to the world. But those individuals shouldn't be confused with the vastly greater number of those who have a very clearheaded and rational reason for refusing to compromise away their rights, even a little bit.
Hope all is well...and sorry for ranting. :-)
--Jason
John Jason Auvenshine Global Web Architecture - Deployment T/L 321-2263
To: Ronald Strayer <ronstrayer@msn.com> cc: kpepple@yahoo.com, mspencer7@home.com, Jason Auvenshine/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS Subject: Re: Microsoft Executive Says...(details from my warped brain)
Actually, as a libertarian I 100% agree that the government should not promote either. I also think the open-source movement would side with MS if that were the case. Most of these folks fear mainly MS because of the Big-brother potential; supporting the government would only bring bro in the backdoor.
My comments were mainly directed at the "stifle innovation" horseshit. The open-source movement DEMANDS innovation, not stifle t, since there are plenty of successful *commercial* products for Linux. These products are for a fee because they are so good that a few coders wouldn't be able to duplicate the effort with a few overnighters. Afterall, why throw away $millions on R&D when some college kid can do it for his class project?
Lastly, I don't want to destroy MS... on the contrary. Actually, I think more than anything; this presents an opportunity for MS to become even bigger and better than they are today. Since the open-sorce movement represents stiff competition which can only be dealt with by writing better software (rather than restrictive business alliances)... which MS definitely has the capability to do. I don't mind paying for commercial software; I only mind when I'm forced to pay $150 for a what is essentially a service pack; and I can obtain the same (often better) performance/functionality for free on the Internet. There's a reason MS has ASTRONOMICAL profit margins; which as a shareholder I like, as a supposed "sucker" I do not.
Unfortunately, like the Libertarian Party, the Open-Source movement most often gets represented by unrealistic and uncompromising malcontents. A very vocal minority. Personally, I fully support any efforts my MS to become more competitive in the marketplace. A strong MS and a strong Open-Source movement would be a wonderful dynamic, with endless potential for INNOVATION. Tell that exec of yours ;-)
Cheers Dude...
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