Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:15:44 -0000 From: steve@trinwords.com Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: Advisory: Arizona Lawsuit Win To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
--- In lpaz-discuss@y..., "Kent Van Cleave" <kvc@c...> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> And here's the bad news: LPUS is still lying about the Arizona mess.
>
> >The Libertarian Party and Harry Browne had filed a lawsuit against
> >Arizona's filing deadline in August 2000, after Browne was denied a
> >sot on the ballot by a splinter group of the Arizona Libertarian
> >Party.
>
>
> Browne was NOT denied a spot on the ballot, any more than Bill
Clinton was. That is to say that everyone who was entitled to a spot on the ballot, as the nominee of a political party with ballot status in Arizona WAS ON THE BALLOT. >
> The Arizona Libertarian Party (the long-time organization with
ballot status but unwillingly disaffiliated by LPUS) -- NOT a "splinter group" thereof -- offered Harry Browne a chance to make his case as a candidate for nomination by the ALP, but he spurned the offer. Being under no more obligation to list Browne as its nominee than Bush or Gore -- none of them being affiliated with the ALP, the ALP did what all parties do: it selected a nominee from a pool of candidates (from which Browne had absented himself), based on its own standards of desirability.You're still preaching to the choir, Kent! Everyone here knows this ... well stated though! :)
> >Browne, the party's official presidential candidate, had been
nominated at the Libertarian National Convention in July, and, with VP candidate Art Olivier, was already on the ballot in 49 other states and the > >District of Columbia. >
> This is ambiguous. What is meant by "the party's..."? Browne was
certainly LPUS's official presidential candidate, but they had no affiliate organization with ballot status in Arizona. The ALP, with its long-time ballot status, had an official presidential candidate, nominated in Arizona by Arizona Libertarians.YEP!
> >But the maverick Arizona group placed Colorado science fiction
author > >L. Neil Smith on the ballot as the LP candidate for president, and
> >Nevada newspaper columnist Vin Suprynowicz on as vice president.
>
>
> "[M]averick"? There was indeed a maverick Arizona group -- one that
had been attempting for more than five years to take over the Arizona Libertarian Party by any means other than those prescribed by the party's constitution and bylaws. Their primary method was to sue the ALP (and, personally, its officers -- you know, "the politics of personal destruction") based on unconstitutional laws very similar to the petition deadline whose defeat we are now celebrating (and which the ALP had been actively challenging) -- laws establishing the time and place of official business meetings and the qualifications for internal party office (viz: nobody who is unwilling to run for Precinct Committeeman in a tax-funded primary election was eligible to run for a party office in Arizona).I wondered how everyone would react to THAT one ... I have been off this list vfor the last few days due to the Virus attacker (didn't get me I just got sick of clicking the Norton screens every 30 secs while he was spamming my system ...).
However, I HAVE been in touch with a couple of people, and you would be SHOCKED to know the identities of some of the folks (even on the LNC) who are pissed at Dasbach for igniting THAT particular fire all over again ...
> That maverick group, ow the LPUS affiliate in Arizona, had the
> responsibility of getting its party's candidate, Harry Browne, on
the> ballot. The ALP itself selected Smith and Suprynowicz as candidates who best supported its principles. The fact that it could have conceivably behaved irrationally and chosen a candidate completely unaffiliated with it, sduch as Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich or Harry Browne, should be universally recognized as irrelevant in judging how it chose its nominee. >
> This story from the Watergate is just one more bit of proof that
they consider fraud a perfectly good tool in pursuing their agenda.The "they" is shrinking as we speak ... "They" are going to get a large surprise very soon IMO ...
Unless things change drastically, that agenda appears to consist of (1) blue-sky projections of unrealistic victories; (2) raising funds from the ranks of committed Libertarians and Browne's supporters; (3) thereby being able to send out spiffy direct mail requests for more funds (punctuated with blue-sky projections of unrealistic victories) to committed Libertarians and Browne's supporters, to allow a number of people to make a living at this, and to spend a few percent of the total on campaigning; and (4) repeat step (3) indefinitely. Running in parallel to this will be a recruiting effort to bring in numerous voters based on particular issues of concern to them, being careful not to scare them off with the notion of uncompromising principle and its consequences. Thus, as the party grows larger, it will necessarily grow less libertarian.
ONLY IF WE LET IT ... and the allies list is growing; Willis pissed off some of his biggest supporters in ways he doesn't even know yet! >
> Will the embarrassment from the Willis fiasco bring about a much
needed house cleaning?As the "8-ball" would put it, SIGNS POINT TO YES!
Will the LPUS become "the party of principle" in more than rhetoric?
Either it will ... or many of its state "affiliates" will shut it out of the picture and grow on their wn ... >
> If so, I could at last join the national party in good conscience.
I'm still waiting; if I am chosen as Region 7 Rep [a bit tougher now that Mike Dixon and Richard Prawdziewski (sp? - too tired to look it up), chair of OK, have both entered the fray. I may need some help with lobbying the other five state chairs (assuming RP of OK votes for himself; my own chair has already nominated me and affirmed his vote) who will decide the issue] ...
I MAY be in a position to help usher in that paradigm shift. There is a LOT of unfocused energy now that once was pretty sure of itself ... >
- Steve Trinward
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