Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:28:34 -0500 From: steve@trinwords.com (Steve Trinward) Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] John Wilde's Response to "Status" To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
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Thank you, John K., for expressing (apparently better than I did) a REAL concern about all of this. John W.'s contention that this has to be about following the standard legal "process" seems absurd to me; true, I haven't spent the last 5+ years fighting frivolous lawsuits from a usurping invader, but I still have some idea of "justice as fairness" (excuse me for quoting Rawls, but it's the only point he made that had validity ...), and this wasn't it!
I think that even though Liz had, as you say, explored the parameters and potential downsides of letting Jason have his say before the Committee, and decided the risk was too great to rule in his favor ... shutting down the process without him having a chance to present his case face-to-face smacks too much of kangaroo courts and show trials ...
What would have been the harm to at least let him be heard?
- Steve
fractor@swlink.net wrote:
> John, I disagree 100%
>
> In my mind, there is never a dichotomy or divergence between what's
> fair and what's just.
>
> You claim that the ALP can not compromise, even if to do so would
> be "fair". I don't agree that doing the fair thing - the just thing
> -
> is a compomise at all. Or maybe what I heard was that if the ALP
> is threatened by potential law suits, then it's okay to be "unfair".
>
> But isn't that the argument of those in ALP, Inc. or LPUS - that if
> we're threatened (by not being able to be more successful), it's
> okay
> to compromise?
>
> Well, of course, your way out of it is to merely proclaim that
> whatever course of action you choose is the only way that doesn't
> involve compromise of our principles - regardless of the fairness of
>
> the results.
>
> But then, your argument is that you have to be unfair to be just.
> If
> the rule of law requires that, why should we hold the rule of law
> sacred? And which law - Title 16? (You obviously don't believe in
> following that law!)
>
> Sometimes, doing the right thing involves taking risks. But of
> course in your mind it's better to do the wrong thing - the safe
> thing - and dress it up as principle.
>
> In fact, I don't think it would have involved any risk at all to
> hear
> Jason out - give him his day in court, if you will. Or even, as
> someone suggested a while back, to explain in detail to the rest of
> us unenlightened ones exactly how Jason's membership in the ALP
> (recognized political party) and the ALP, Inc. (whatever it is)
> could
> be used against - whom?
>
> And, finally, I again raise the question of openness - or would that
>
> involve a compromise of principles, too?
>
> John Kannarr
>
>
>
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