Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:42:27 -0700
From: randerson22@home.com ("Robert Anderson")
Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] Re: [lpaz-Pima] The ALP 2001 Convention: The good, the bad, and the ugly
To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
You know Jason you make it sound as if this
decision was done in a vacuum. You know that to be
untrue. While there was no formal findings of your case
there was plenty leading up to the meeting. I happened
to agree with John that Liz was within her right as
Chair to decide that you were in violation of the Bylaw
by being a member of Inc. and to this there was no
claim or dispute of fact. The case you want to make is
if Inc. is a party or not. And that was not what we
were meeting about.
Even so, those that reaffirmed Liz's decision had
been debating the facts of that claim for over a week
and I'm sorry but you lost. You and you alone held the
key to solve the problem and were given more than ample
time to fix the problem.
You can debate the question of party or no party
all you want but the ALP has been attacked in court
personally and as the party for better part of a decade
now and those people are Inc. And they have used Inc.
as part of the case in those cases. They claim to be a
party, they tell others they are a party. The very rule
you are complaining about was put in place to stop the
duel holding of office by Inc. people and you knew
this. So at this time Inc. meets OUR definition of
another party. And as you point out we are a private
organization and we have that right. We didn't make
that decision lightly, only after years of being
attacked by those that claim to be Inc. The melding of
the parties was an argument we knew Peter would try to
make and he did when he claimed wrongly that there was
a merger. So that is why we can't allow this duel
membership. If you don't like it I suggest you talk to
Peter and have him solve the problem at that end. Until
than I regret and I mean that in all honesty that you
are not able to influence the direction of the ballot
accessed party that represents the libertarian voters
of this State. We welcome you back as soon as this
conflict of interest is solved.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <auvenj@mailcity.com>
To: <lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: [lpaz-Pima] The ALP 2001
Convention: The good, the bad, and the ugly
> --- In lpaz-discuss@y..., John Wilde <rsrchsoc@i...>
wrote:
> > You weren't entitled to a decision on the
merits of your claim.
> <BIG SNIP>
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1) Does the defendant in a criminal trial have to
"state a claim" in
> order to be entitled to present evidence in his/her
defense? Can the
> judge simply rule, "you violated ARS xxxxxx, penalty
is 3 years in
> jail" without hearing any evidence or conducting a
trial?
>
> (2) Doesn't the process of booting me off the GovCom
more closely
> resemble a criminal trial than any other legal
proceeding? I was
> accused of violating a bylaw (becoming an officer of
another party),
> and a punishment was meted out (I was removed from
the GovCom).
>
> My impression is that you're likening me to a
plaintiff, "asking" for
> something from Liz but failing to state a claim. I
wasn't "asking"
> for ANYTHING. I was the defendant, defending myself
from charges of
> violating a bylaw.
>
> One more thing, please don't misinterpret anything
I'm saying as a
> whine, "It's not fair..." ALP is a private
organization. If they
> want to boot me off the GovCom because I have blue
eyes, by any
> process they choose, that's their right and is as
"fair" as needs to
> be. In my opinion it is simply a bad way to run an
organization.
>
> --Jason Auvenshine
>
>
>
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