Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:58:11 -0700
From: weavert@PRIMENET.COM ("T. Weaver")
Subject: NAACP is racist...?
To: AZRKBA@asu.edu

To say that white supremacy groups are "separate but related" to the patriot movement is saying that the Black Panthers are a separate, but related, group of the NAACP.

Also, another line "while the roots of militias theories are racist, the two movements should not be confused". I guess the NAACP's theories are racist, too.

No wonder there are people in this country who would agree we need to reinterpret the 1st Amendment and take some freedom away from the press....

Tim

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/oklahoma_000417.html

Remember Them? Five Years After Oklahoma City, Militia Movement Smaller, Introspective By Geraldine Sealey

April 17 The bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building wasnt carried out by an organized militia group, but that didnt keep such anti-government brigades from intense scrutiny after the 1995 Oklahoma City tragedy. In the months after the bombing, because of their influence on mastermind Timothy McVeigh and his conspirator Terry Nichols, militias the obscure armed branch of the anti-government Patriot movement became the subject of, and even participants in, a nationwide debate.

But we dont hear much about militias anymore.

Instead of galvanizing anti-government sentiment, the Oklahoma tragedy created a crisis within the movement, scholars and observers say. Militias may train for an armed battle against what they see as a tyrannical government, but many members seem to have been scared off by the nations worst act of domestic terrorism, which killed 168 people, including 19 children.

Although there are no precise statistics, one estimate suggests that militia membership has been cut by half since the April 1995 bombing, when it was about 30,000-strong.

And though some say its figures are inflated, the Montgomery, Ala.-based Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that after a 1996 high of 858, Patriot groups declined to 435 in 1998 171 of those were militias.

The militia movement was a white hot social movement, but every social movement has a limited life, says Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Im not saying militias are gone, but they are a bit of a relic of the 90s.

Introspection After Bombing Arthur Jipson, a Miami University of Ohio professor who studies far-right groups, says the bombing set off a period of introspection in both the Patriot movement and the separate but related white supremacy movement. They are asking: What is the best means for us to reach our ends or goals, as violent confronters, or slow, gradual recruitment over time? Jipson says. These debates often happen in extreme movements, particularly after violent, cataclysmic moments.

Some say hard-core racist groups may be winning the debate among Patriots and militia members. What weve seen since Oklahoma City is the sloughing away of softer line militia type grops, and a hardening of the groups that remain, says Botok of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Although the number of hate groups was down by about 15 percent last year to 457 groups, Botok says the groups are consolidating, swelling the ranks of the larger organizations.

Along with frustrations over worker displacement and globalization, he says, the Internet can take some credit for widening the reach of hate groups. Klansmen that had difficulty reaching 100 people with a poorly produced pamphlet now can reach millions, he said.

Going Mainstream? But Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, a nonprofit center that researches right-wing groups, cautions that while the roots of militias theories are racist, the two movements should not be confused. If there are more racists in militia groups these days, it is likely because the far right is recruiting more, he says.

This is a struggle between two sectors, the Patriot movement and the far right, he said. You have to see a dynamic that isnt simple.

There is evidence that some militia members are making an effort to become more mainstream, not less, says Jipson. Some are even running for local office rather than just working against the political machinery. I dont necessarily think that means we should all sleep better at night, but the movement has undergone reflection and has changed, he said.

Perhaps the greatest symbol of that change is a new relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, historically reviled by militia groups for its role in the 1992 killing of white supremacist Randy Weavers wife and son after a standoff in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.

Mandated by Attorney General Janet Reno, agents in the bureaus 56 field offices have held sporadic conferences in recent months with militia leaders in an attempt to build trust and defuse possible violent confrontations. Discussions last fall focused on easing concerns about a Y2K apocalypse.

So far, the meetings have helped to quell the vie by some militias that the government is a big bogey man, says Doug Garrison, a special agent in the FBIs Indianapolis field office. For example, he said, the FBI was able to spread the word among militia members that a railroad car repair facility near Indianapolis is not actually intended to be a holding facility for prisoners after a Zionist occupation.

But some argue that it will take more than a few sit-downs to mend the rift between militia groups and te federal government. Jipson says the FBI should learn from local and state governments that are testing community-policing strategies, for example. The FBI has to understand there has been real overstepping of boundaries, he said. I dont think a single meeting where we share cookies is going to do it.


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