Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 18:41:25 -0000 From: auvenj@mailcity.com Subject: [lpaz-govcom] Psychic Ernie (was: Re: Jay Walsh) To: lpaz-govcom@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-govcom@yahoogroups.com
Ernie,
Your objection to me being an officer in both organizations is entirely reasonable. I thought I made it very clear that I have my own fears about it. The real questions for me at this point are which organization to resign from, and if it's ALP would it be better to resign or get kicked out. :-)
What set me off was your presumtion that my goals in seeking or holding office in ALP, Inc. are vote totals, immediate respect, etc.; that it indicates I have a self-image problem; that my chains will rest lightly upon me; that I don't really understand freedom, etc. etc. This isn't some grade-B sci-fi or drama flick. I'm not Luke Skywalker and you're not Yoda or Obi-Wan or whatever. I'm certainly not a member of some mindless collective.
Our government does some pretty aweful things, like bombing asparine factories because our president couldn't keep his zipper up and needed to distract the public. Yet you remain here. You could leave; you could go live in some other country that doesn't bomb innocent people, yet you don't. As long as you don't participate in or sanction such initiations of force, it would be unfair of me to blame you for it just because you make the choice to live in America or (gasp!) run for federal office. Perhaps you're staying here in hopes that you might be able to prevent such actions from happening in the future. Or maybe you're just too lazy to move. _I_ wouldn't presume to know nor would I presume to dismiss your decision out of hand as some implicit endorsement of the bombings.
What I choose to do is and will continue to be based on where I think I can accomplish the most. If that turns out to be ALP, Inc. for a while, it doesn't mean I prefer that leadership's policies to ALP's any more than your decision to live in America means you prefer our government's foreign policy to that of the Bahamas or Costa Rica.
At some point it becomes time to pack up the family and get the hell out of Dodge. I suspect when that time comes, I'll know it. I'm just not there yet. Peter won round 1, which I had thought would be my clear signal that it's time to part company with ALP, Inc. once and for all. The messages of support I'm getting tell me that it's not a lost cause. Yet.
--Jason Auvenshine
--- In lpaz-govcom@y..., "Ernest Hancock" <ernesthancock@i...> wrote: > >> So go and do your best to remove their Borg implants that make them
> >part of a collective. But your implants will be very obvious to everyone if
> >you allow public monies into campaigns without active resistance and
> >eventual resignation.
>
> Ernie
>
> >If I allow public money into one of _my_ campaigns, or a campaign I'm
> >a committee member of, sure. I don't presume to control what others
> >in the party may do without my assistance.
> >
> >--Jason Auvenshine
>
>
> Once again I'm doing best to cut through the crap and see into the
> future,... Sorry.
>
> We are of differing opinions. I believe that "when you dance with the Devil
> you don't change the Devil, the Devil changes you". I am very happy with the
> outcome of our efforts to resist assimulation. "The argument with statist
> has the most benefit for the bystanders" (Basic quote of L. Neil). So I've
> seen this whole mess as very informative to thousands for many years to
> come, and the beginning of something new and better.
>
> But now we have a new situation. Before we have made every effort, and been
> successful, in the total separation of the purist and the compromisers. The
> arguments have been clear and overwhelmingly in our favor (no matter what a
> judge says). The philosophy has been defended, the definition of what is
> truely Libertarian has been maintained so far with our press contacts and
> when individuals around the world cross the bridge over to the purist they
> know where to make "first contact" and to establish communication with their
> 'home planet'. Now we have an officer of ALP one of the top officers in
> ALPink that sought election. As an individual I support your right to do as
> you wish. But I will never give up the belief that compromise is death.
>
> At least two people see this action of yours (officer in both parties) as
> the beginning of the end for the ALP and no-compromise libertarianism in
> Arizona,... Me and Peter. Watch, wait, learn.
>
> I never had any concerns for you being on the ALP list of officers (hell, I
> think it was I that nominated you in the first place). But, I wish to make
> my opposition to your being an officer in both very clear. As a member of
> record of ALP I will not insist on a bylaw challenge to force your decision
> to pick one or the other. I leave that up to the Governing Board. But the
> second Peter uses this against us in court (and you can never stop him from
> filing court challenges, no matter how slick you think your tactics are)
> and/or makes another round of outrageous claims to the planet due to your
> positions in both, I will then be forced to make a decision of being or not
> being associated with an organization that has a link with the Schmorg that
> can be used in too many ways to count against us from the inside.
>
> I have already left the party as any official that I know of. But what has
> always been of more importance to me is where my spirit is.
>
> More fresh water in a glass can not make the shit slick on top,... that
> cause everyone that taste it to have bad things to say, ... to go away.
>
> It's not entirely logic and/or reason that makes me so sure. It's
history. >
> Ernie
>
> Please keep in mind that if you substituted Jason's name with any
other and > my position would be exactly the same.
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