Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 05:38:57 -0000 From: auvenj@mailcity.com Subject: [lpaz-discuss] Re: The ALP 2001 Convention: The good, the bad, and the ugly To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
--- In lpaz-discuss@y..., pgammill@h... wrote: > --- In lpaz-discuss@y..., "Jason Auvenshine" <auvenj@m...> wrote:
> > Comments on the 2001 Convention of the Arizona Libertarian Party
>
> > (2) More importantly, the presumption is that conviction by a
jury > in today's systemis not only fallible but is so worthless as to
> warrent disregard so long as the convicted felon has signed the
> pledge. .... This is
> essentially throwing in the towel on our entire court system and
> saying "we ARE against attempted murder, but we don't care if the
> courts say you're an attempted murderer because that's a government
> process."
> >
>
> I guess you enjoyed the flavor of Marc Victor's talk, but
> couldn't digest the substance. I personally thought the idea of
> holding our own trial of Eric Boudet intriguing.
Not at all. I remember Marc saying the system was relatively good (though fallible) at determining guilt or innocence...we just have too many laws that make too many things a "crime" that shouldn't be.
Read my quote above again. I said "the presumption". The new bylaw doesn't provide for any kind of "our own trial" to ACCEPT a convicted violent felon for membership. The ALP bylaws now presume that the judicial system is not only fallible (which I readily agree that it is) but is worthless, and would require a trial to REMOVE the felon from membership just like anyone else...in other words the felony conviction means nothing under the new ALP bylaws.
If you really think our judicial system is so corrupt as to be worthless as an indicator of guilt or innocense, I understand your perspective but respectfully disagree.
--Jason Auvenshine
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