Session Start: Mon Feb 01 19:48:30 1999 *** Now talking in #Subs_discuss *** ChanOP (service@austnet.org) has joined #Subs_discuss *** ChanOP sets mode: +o ChanOP *** ChanOP changes topic to 'Discussion here tonight (Monday) 9pm AEST...subs and switches only...Topic: 24/7 MYTHS AND IMAGINATION....presented by destinyBP. Please adhere to channel rules and enjoy :))' *** ChanOP sets mode: +nt ok...ready folks? * belara chuckles hello kuff <`patrick`> hi, Kuff greetings Garnett Hello Garnet, kuff yup Questions can be asked at any time during the discussion however due to time constraints it would be appreciated if personal experiences were not discussed, there will be time afterwards to do this hi kuff Also the sub play that we all love so much should be kept to a minimum or preferably not displayed at all in channel umm whats the discussion about tonight? If you have a question please indicate so by typing a ? and when you are asked to proceed please do so :) 24/7 realtionships okies...back Hopefully we can limit the discussion to an hour to an hour and a half, as we know many of you have Master's or Mistress to attend to *grin* * barak{Ras} smiles thank you...and now i'll hand you over to destinyBP :)) Okay..before I start I have two short disclaimers to make... 1) Since I am involved in a Male Dom/fem sub relationship, to save my sanity...I will refer to the Dominant as a Dom or "He"..etc....and due to the contruction of my relationship with BlackPrince, when I talk about subs, I will usually refer to them as "slaves".. * barak{Ras} nods hi all 2) What I am going to be talking about tonight is based on MY experiences...bear in mind, not ALL relationships are the same. Your relationship may be different...be happy in the differences :) hi all sorry i'm late....nearly forgot *sheepish look* Okay..I'm going to be talking about 24/7...the Myths and Imagination of it. During this chat, I'll be covering the usual "Myths" about what 24/7 is REALLY like, what a day in the ife of a RL 24/7 slave is like, the Responsibilities of a 24/7 slave (and Dom), How to make a tired Dom FEEL "Dom" after a rotten day at work, and the benefits of a 24/7 relationship. * destinyBP winks at em.. and of she goes oh dear lol...already! * sara{X^L} smiles softly lol Well that was a short discussion :) a quikkie!! * barak{Ras} pulls kenji{W}t down into the beanbag to snuggle wb destinyBP lol lol wb:) * kuff refrains from saying anything ... but fails lol <`patrick`> guess we'll have to use our imagination * kenji{W}t snuggles in with barak to listen Or myths, 'patrick'. :) ok lets let destiny continue :) *lol* I"m back..sorry all..damn ircle:(( ANYWAY.. *chuckles* to start, I'll tell you a bit about how I got where I am. I was born an American and met BlackPrince online about 2 and a half years ago. He became my online mentor, and collared me 5 months after meeting me online for the first time. * kuff snuggles down with himself I flew to Australia to meet Him and try my hand at RL 24/7 slavery 9 months after meeting Him, and returned to Australia in January 1997 to be with Him permanently. We were married nearly a year ago (on March 17th). From the first visit I had with Him, I have considered myself (and He has called me) a fulltime, 24/7, RL slave... When I first discovered BDSM, I rapidly developed some ideas of what RL slavery would be like. Tonight I'll deal with 4 of the basic "myths" that people who have NOT lived RL, 24/7, commonly believe. 1) Doms are ALWAYS decked out in leather or fetish gear, giving orders to the slave and wandering around with a whip to beat them if they screw up. True or False?? f lol false f false i wish! (f) false obviously f f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f *laughs* I think most of us in this room would catagorically say that is FALSE (with a capital F)... f f * Garnet smiles. If you wish: False. Or even FALSE. :) Myth 2)... Slaves are ALWAYS naked and BEGGGING to be used sexually or beaten. ..True or False? f f f f. Fase hahaha false unless you are emerald f false too true ... oh alright, false *grins* again..that is false ( have you EVER been naked and begging for sex while cleaning a toilet or weeding the garden?) * sea_urchin nods * Garnet ewwws. ermm sorry .. forget i answered * barak{Ras} pouts if i was naked i might be :-) lol Myth 3) Life is one 24 hour play session... True or False... false I do clean bathrooms naked - easier than having to wash my clothes. I just have a shower in the nice clean bathroom. :) f false false false. * barak{Ras} wishes it were true...but f dammit f *lol* * cheekybren grins at barak{Ras} sorry im late.ill brb * Garnet grins at barak. * kuff must go afk :((((( will read the log later I wish! and Myth number 4) RL is like something out of "Story of O", "Gor", the Beauty series or the Marketplace series....True or False? *** kuff is now known as kuff-afk f f f f again f still wishin....but f again....this is also false. * wee_foot{Y} loves the Story of O but f this quiz is easy hehehe f f yea i think we pass cheekybren :) The fact of RL, 24/7...is that these common misconceptions are all false. As much as we WISH they were true...RL obligations and emotions intrude on that happy fantasy. This little quiz (easy tho it may be) leads me into the second section..."A Day in the Life"... Despite how much we would like 24/7 to be one constant play session, that isn't quite the way it happens. The best quote I've heard about RL is "24/7 REALLY means that you play 24 minutes out of every 7 days - if you're lucky! sorry rather bad entrance was it not LOL please do so vidette{CL} I can't remember who told me that, but I ADORE that quote, because in the past year of being a fulltime slave with BlackPrince, I've come to the realization that that quote is VERRRRRRRY true!!! * treasure{ROC} nods in agreement with destinyBP Many of us work, or have Master's who work and we all know that there are days when one of both of us is too tired to play or even THINK about playing (especially in a case like mine, where my Master is 35 years older than I am)... * wee_foot{Y} found out what that was like after a week with Yeti A typical day in my life, would look to the "normal vanilla" eye just like an average marriage, (with a few excentricities).. Bp does NOT make me walk around on a leash when we go shopping, He doesn't make me weed the garden naked, etc...those things are fiction. They are interesting things to ponder, but not practical to RL situations. Another thing to remember, is that not ALL Doms are the same. Some Master's want to control their slave 24 hours a day (although in my experience, those who have that idea are generally new and rather inexperienced).. Why do experienced Dom's tend to shun the idea of controlling their slave's every waking and sleeping moment? Because to control someone to that extent is physically, emotionally and mentally DRAINING!!! ? I consider myself lucky in the RL relationship I have with BlackPrince, because He values my mind and intellect, so that He leaves me much leeway in my daily life. So long as the chores get done and He is comfortably taken care of, He is happy for me to organize my day as I willl...He has enough to control those in His care at work, without saying to me "Yes girl....you may breathe now." Em.....:)\ just a quick comment....that that would also never allow for any insight/growth of their slaves personality, would get very dull i would imagine * destinyBP nods to em...yes..precisely. Although, I have spoken to Doms and their subs, who are happy with that kind of control. But as I said, it is draining and also a matter of personal p reference within the relationship. Anyway.. *smiles* in my RL 24/7 lifestyle...Bp helps me with the chores, because we see that as contributing to our mutual comfort...as well as speeding the time it takes to do things.. Thus leaving us more time for the things we WANT to do (like playing or visiting with kinky friends) rather than Him sitting around and waiting as I plow my way through chores... Furthermore, I decide what to serve Him and what to get at the store...WHY? Because He trusts me to fix things that He likes. Often as we shop, He adds things to the cart that He thinks of after the list is made (because I always ask if there is anything He is hungry for in the next week, while I make the list) Just like any relationship...we do the shopping, the cleaning, the normal mundane things of life.....He knows my goals for life and encourages me in them (like getting my Ph.D)... Also, BlackPrince has no interest in controlling my work life...that is MINE to take care of. Although He is more than happy to discuss problems with me or help me work things out.. Which brings us to the responsibilities of a 24/7 slave (not to mention the Dom.. D/s relationships are a two-way street....each person is responsible for the other's physical, emotional and mental well-being. I care about Bp by encouraging Him to go to the doctor if He is ill, by being there for Him when He needs comfort (yes..even big, bad Dommly types need comforting at times)... AND...Master is there for me when I am sad, cares about my body by sending me to the doc if I need to go...etc.. People often laugh when they find out that when I am ill, Bp shows He cares, by making me oatmeal for dinner. It doesn't sound like much, but in the past year, it has become a big comfort food, because that is how He shows me that He cares... In all relationships...it is good to remember that the little things DO mean alot...which is why I do "little" things to remind myself and Master, that I am slave and love to serve Him. (not that we really NEED the reminding...but I'll get to that in a bit) when I serve Master a drink, I always kneel and kiss the rim of the glass before presenting it to Him. He laughs and says it tastes better that way, but underneath the joking, we both know that the reason I do it, is a way to show Him that I belong to Him and the things I do are for His comfort in life. Now for the fun part *grins* "How to make a tired DOm FEEL Dom, after they have had a rotten day... In RL, 24/7 relationships...eventually, RL intrudes and your Master may come home feeling TIRED, Miserable, etc.... despite the hopeless way it may make you feel...there ARE things you can do to lift His mood a bit...and make Him feel a bit better. sorry all *sighs* wb destinyBP Anyway...vidette..can you repeat my last line? In RL, 24/7 relationships...eventually, RL intrudes and your Master may come home feeling TIRED, Miserable, etc....despite the hopeless way it may make you feel...there ARE things you can do to lift His mood a bit... and make Him feel a bit better. Apologies. Bad connection. ooo...this is what happened last night :| there are a few around tonight.. *sighs* sorry gang.. :( can anyone see me this time? I think I was lagging wb destinyBP yep...you're ok now destinyBP :) yup hi destinyBP Men^Tor will you please leave? yes destiny :) we are having a discussion can someone send me the last line I said? In RL, 24/7 relationships... eventually, RL intrudes and your Master may come home feeling TIRED, Miserable, etc....despite the hopeless way it may make you feel...there ARE things you can do to lift His mood a bit...and make Him feel a bit better. can anyone see me this time? I think I was lagging.. :( oops...sorry lol okay *smiles* I know where I am now.. :)) WE'll try this again.. When your Master feels rotten..a little creativity can go a long way to making Him feel better... this is also where having a bit of freedom of idea, helps...it's hard to plan surprises for Your Master if He is controlling your every movement all day long..."Master, I'd like to plan a special dinner for you next thursday at 8pm.. can I make a reservation at Chateau Eat?" Hmm...kinda ruins the element of surprise I think :) * barak{Ras} nods and grins * Garnet grins. As a slave...one of the things we can do to show our Masters we care, is to plan little surprises for them..from packing a special lunch to take to work with them, to running them a bath and playing the full "bath slave" roll to help them soak out the miseries of the day... ? Since I don't work..Master often calls me before He comes home from the university...I can tell from the tone of His voice if He has had a rotten day...so I will often prepare a bubble bath for Him, and as soon as He gets in the house, I gently steer Him into the bathroom and scrub away the cares of the day...which puts Him in a better mood for play, etc... yes weefootie? what if your Dom/me doesn't fit in a bath? *giggle* hehehe *lol* well weefoootie...be creative..ever thought about a sponge bath? *winks* could be interesting.. :)) lol LOL ANYWAY *grins*.... get a bigga bath ? Custard pit in the back yard? sowwy couldn't resist :) Surprise him with a spa tub? :) ? creativity is your BEST weapon to lift your Master's gloomy mood...although the phrase is Biblically based... "Do unto others, as you would have them do to you" is a pretty good rule of thumb :))) Try to put yourself in your Master's shoes...and act accordingly :) yes ffairlady? destinyBP do you see much difference between a 24/7 slave and a 24/7 sub ??? *thinks* well ffairlady...to answer that I'd have to get into my definitions of the differences between a slave and a sub... in short....*thinks* in short..to me a 24/7 sub decides based on the situation, whether they will submit to the wishes of their Dom....whereas a slave gives that submission over ONCE, after that it is automatically expected.... but then again..those are just my definitions... and those are the things I act upon... * sara{X^L} thinks that covers it pretty well destiny :) I consider myself a fulltime, 24/7 RL slave, because BP can ask things of me 24 hours a day, and I will comply..even if He wakes me up at 2 in the morning and asks me to make him a 7 course meal...I'll do it (tho the meal might be strange) :)) lol * ffairlady smiles One other thing I wanted to add under the heading of how to make your Dom FEEL their Domminess... and would it served with a smile?? ? *nods to em* HELL YEAH...*grins* As BP often tells me..it is when I *act* slave... then He FEELS Dom.... * wee_foot{Y} nods because RL intrudes on our BDSM time...little things like me kneeling at His feet while we watch tv...or laying with my head on His toes, make Him feel more Dominant, which in turn makes Him feel powerful and needed...(good feelings to inspire in a tired Dom....) destiny..sylk has a question yes..I just wanted to get that thought out before I forgot my place :) Go ahead sylk :)) does being a 24/7 slave as opposed to 24/7 sub mean that safewords are not used? *smiles* that is dependent on the individual relationship...as I said at the start... NO TWO BDSM RELATIONSHIPS ARE THE SAME.....it all boils down to individual preference.... :)) * sylk nods..thanks and each person's definition of slave and submissive can sara say something here destiny? if i may comment.......safewords would probably still be used in "scenes/play" but not in the day to day aspects, if you dont want to cook for him you cant safeword!! lol damnit i knew i was in the wrong place hahaha sea_urchin * Garnet blinks at sea_urchin? ermm .. im not one for cookin Garnet oops wrong bit.lol As for me...I have a safeword....but have forgotten what it is *lol* and will tell y'all a secret...when I am pierced for him in March, I will also give Him back the safeword...because I trust Him to take care of me...BUT I have also been with Him constantly for the last year...so I know Him and He knows me and my triggers/fears/ etc.. :)) sure sara...*smiles* go ahead.. :) lol sea_urchin was going to say...usually in a Master/ slave there us total trust..so many dont use safe words as there is no need ..the Master knows fully the limits of His slave etc...but it is not that for everyone ? * destinyBP nods..exactly sara...that goes back to the personal preference of the people in the relationship... yes kenji? may i ask for a cooment on part time 24/7 that is a week or two here and there togther I'll get to that in a few minutes kenji...if you can wait a bit :)) np Anyway...I also wanted to share with y'all...the benefits that I see in 24/7 bdsm....I have observed these things in my friends and myself... Since becoming involved in a 24/7 relationship... I have grown in self-confidence...I have been encouraged to explore my dreams (for instance Master is encouraging me to write a novel...and is always there to reassure me that I CAN DO IT...because He has faith in me even when I don't :).. I have gained a better understanding of bdsm, myself, Master and life in general... I have become more sure of my abilities and skills as a person... whoaaaaaaaa...splitsville * emerald{IR} agrees and understands that fully destinyBP I have learned that it is okay to be who I am... and I am a slave....and damnitt I'm HAPPY about it :)) * sara{X^L} smiles I have also learned what a wonderful feeling it is to have such a deep level of love, trust and communication with another person...to the point where there are times that words aren't needed.... I have learned that BDSM play doesn't HAVE to end in sex....some of the most loving and sensual moments we have had...weren't sexual...they were cuddling and talking quietly in the dark of the night....THOSE are the moments I treasure.. SO.....in conclusion...I wanted to answer another question (which kenji kinda hit on a moment ago)... "Can you still be a 24/7 slave if you are NOT with your Dom fulltime....." (and remember..this is MY OPINION...you are free to disagree)... But I think that YES...you ARE a 24/7... ? * sara{X^L} agrees * kenji{W}t agrees i also agree...once the commitment is made it is there 24/7...you don't switch it on and off...well we don't anyway :) Because 24/7 is NOT a matter of being together all of the time...it is a mindset and a feeling comprised of trust, communication and committment to your slavery and your Dom. If you have these things....(both you AND your Dom)...then YES...you ARE a 24/7 slave...and I wish you all the happiness in the world.. :)) actually when i asked i was referring more to the slave/sub who spends weekends and some weeks on and off with a Master r/l But always remember..NO TWO BDSM RELATIONSHIPS are alike..whether online or irl..you have to learn to enjoy that which makes you different...and be accepting of the differences in the relationships of others.... I'm not sure what your question is, kenji...could you maybe explain a bit? yes like you and me kenji yes kitten it is not play and a chance to serve a Master there she blows again..lol not at all and to spend extended time with them and to know each other * sea_urchin waves i am very dedicated to my Master and i know you are also lol...you get a bit of a leg up in life maddie??? *GRIN* kenji when you arent with your Master...do you base your decisions on what He would agree with? wb destinyBP damn..did I miss the explanation? goodnight all...sweet dreams.. no sara has nothing to do with present situation * Garnet sighs, kicks her server. night tiger * destinyBP sighs...sorry about that all...kenji..could you repeat for me? do you feel like it's a 24/7 thing kenji? no its not * vidette{CL} ponders i don't believe that an odd day or such costitutesa 24/7 * destinyBP nods to kenji... well kenji..I held a long distance relationship form the US to here, with BP for over a year..and for that time..I considered myself a 24/7 slave a week or two together yes as then there is time to be able to understand needs and wants CL and i are only together intermittently too, but the relationship continues everyday...it never lessens in anyway WHY? simply because 24/7...I tried to live a life He would be proud of, to do the little things I could to make His days brighter and show Him I cared, etc... same with sara yes i also had a Master USA for 2 years and we spent a month or a fortnight together a number of times a year in a 24/7 so would you consider me 24/7 then? It goes back to the idea that..a collar isn't just something that you wear around your neck...it is around your heart...therefore it is ALWAYS with you..even if the collar has been temporarily removed (for an operation, etc..) and i lived the life he desired when away from him have to run..thanks destiny for an informative discussion :))) yuppers kitten..I've seen how much you think about your Master when apart..and how proud you are of what you do... caring for you..I think you are :))) but to see someone on occassions i do not believe constitutes 24/7 this is only my opinion ooo again :\ * kitten{Ozzie^} smiles and thanks destinyBP..hugs :) *nods* well kenji..youare more than welcome to your opinion :))) That is what makes us different:)) kitten i believe your relationship is very different how so kenji? WE all view things differently based on our personal perceptions...as long as you are happy... the depth of it i think the one thing we learn from discussions like this, is everyone interprets their situations differently... we are all unique in our understanding of bdsm and that is it for me gang :))) hope I didn't ramble too much :))) not at all destinyBP it was great, thanks :) * destinyBP runs over and tacklehugs jemstone..hoping she is still awake :)) * treasure{ROC} smiles... "It was great thanks destiny :)) i congratulate you destinyBP on an excellent presentation kenji i don't know, i know you care very deeply for Wolfgar * destinyBP huggers treasure.. * jemstone[H] laughs thanks kenji :)) destiny...thank you for giving us such a personal and articulate insight into your life with BP...it is something many of us can gain inspiration from :))) thanks destinyBP Very interesting destinyBP Thanks for your thoughts, *hugz* course i am awake hon... listening intently to your words... and thank you for your time :) i really must away, the chef needs feeding *g* * destinyBP waves to IRIsh!!!! take care emerald{IR} thanks destinyBP!! thanks for the comments EM!!! *huggers* night em smooch cya emerald night em, and Irish :) see ya em.. *waves to IRish*... :) you too vidette{CL}, bye all, be well till next we meet.... * vidette{CL} smiles...sooo....any takers for next week ????? lol *lol* * vidette{CL} chuckles and waits... sheesh, it will be hard to beat that hello ? thank you all for a wonderful evening... it was great and most informative :) sorry, vidette{CL} will be in Adelaide for the next couple of months and puter has to stay here thanks for listening to me all...and not making me feel stupid :)) destiny...you did an excellent job...most impressive :))) destinyBP it was great, you have me thinking here destiny i am astounded you would say that i am definately sending a log of this to my Master *rotfl* sheesh..this is where I end up...4 years of taking speech classes and learning how people communicate...and I end up delivering a speech on the internet...VERY weird :)) i enjoyed it destinyBP *hugggs* me too...CL will be most impressed :) * aquaboy was wonderful destinyBP Session Close: Mon Feb 01 22:38:26 1999