Babble v1 186

babble-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 186

In this issue:
Re: use pixels, not points (CSS)
Image positioning using CSS
Here Goes another Site Check
Juha Rudanko
"getting screwed"
RE: Copyright Info

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:40:53 +0800
From: Chris McLay <chris@eycon.com.au>
Subject: Re: use pixels, not points (CSS)

>***
>>Chris McLay <chris@eycon.com.au> wrote:
>>We have just trialed setting type size using pixels
>>(12px) rather then
>>using points (12pt) in CSS. This seems to have provided
>>very good type size
>>compatibility across platforms.
>***
>
>i've done this myself and posted it to another list as a "cure-all" for
>cross-platform font woes.
>
>there are two caveats.
>
>1. as brian platz points out (on another list) the px setting in css
>can have unintended results when printing the docs, depending on printer
>resolution.
>
>12 pt is 12 pt to a printer.
>
>12 px will vary between, say, 300 lpi printers and 600 lpi printers.
>
>the printout could be rendered unreadable. two pages might be used to print
>a headline. etc.
>
>for this reason i restrict the px css setting to graphics-oriented pages
>that are unlikely to be printed; and use it only when i would otherwise
>have used a type gif ... for instance, if i want to make certain that a
>headline is exactly the same height as the logo that is left-aligned next
>to it. px is invaluable for that, and the only way to ensure it.

The notes I have seen say the browser should scale for the resolution
difference between the printer and the screen. They also say that Explorer
3 for Windows does not do this. In my testing all other CSS browsers do.
IE3 is still very popular so this does need to be allowed for...

>2. with crude vga resolution on older "office" monitors, it doesn't
>work properly. (windows problem only, but there are a lot of windows users,
>as we know.) not a problem for windows users with high-res display.

I havn't seen this, but it does not mean it doesn't happen. When you say it
does not work properly, what do you mean? To big, to small?

>From what I have seen the use of pixels in CSS still seams to be a good
option in most cases.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:21:36 +0100
From: "Slobodan Markovic" <twiddle@eunet.yu>
Subject: Image positioning using CSS

Does anybody knows how to center an image horisontally
AND vertically in the browser's client area using CSS
(this alignment should work in any screen resolution).

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:09:51 +0000
From: rossman@multnomah.edu (Jeremy Ross)
Subject: Here Goes another Site Check

I've been workin up the nerve to give ya'll free reign on my site for a
while. I'm totally cool with constructive criticism, but if you could hold
down flames and profanity to a minimum it would be much appreciated.
So...here goes...

http://www.multnomah.edu

Let me know what you think, be honest...but be civil

later,

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:15:01 -0500
From: Tari Akpodiete <tari@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Juha Rudanko

I have asked Juha Rudanko what his URL is but he hasn't told me...
Does anyone know what it is so I can have a look?

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:24:44 -0500
From: Tari Akpodiete <tari@sympatico.ca>
Subject: "getting screwed"

Darrell wrote: "Don't even consider this client...they are taking
advantage of you."

Matt wrote: "I agree with Darrel but also disagree. You can't learn
from a listserv (no offense whatsoever to Darrel's comments) what being
screwed in real life can teach you. Sometimes it's good to get screwed.
That's how one learns."

I reply:

Good grief. Give me a break. That is so stupid, no offense meant
personally, Matt!!! One doesn't have to get screwed to learn a lesson.
That's like saying that you have to roll around in the mud to understand
how pigs live. Yes you will learn, hopefully, if you get screwed BUT you
don't have to get screwed to learn. Some times just being observant of
how pigs live, or listening to what a pig farmer tells you is helpful,
and you don't need ot take a mud bath.

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:15:29 -0400
From: bamford@mindspring.com (David Bamford)
Subject: RE: Copyright Info

Thomas Paquet wrote:

>Once had a buddy who wanted to trademark a logo & name. He simply placed
>the logo and name on an envelope, mailed it to his business/himself. He
>said this would hold up in court as "legal" evidence that he was using the
>"trademark" as of a certain date (as the US Post Office will date stamp all
>mail).

This is a very old gimmick that circulated around when I got out of Art school
in the early mid 80's, but it probably go's even farther back.
First there is a difference between a Trademark for a logo and a name, and the
copywrite to an original creation like the artwork for that logo. The letter
thing will not give you a trademark. You must apply to the Office of Patents and
Trademarks in Washington D.C., but it doesn't cost all that much.. don't quote
me, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 or 15 bucks. You apply, and wait,
there is a listing also of Centers where you can do your own Trademark search...
Which is helpfull before shelling out the money and filling out the forms.

As a graphic designer, artist, whatever-if you have created an original mark
you have some rights as the creator to a copywrite automatically under the
current copywrite laws. You must be able to prove that you were the creator and
this is where the myth of the letter to yourself came about, as proof that you
created it by a certain date. It is of some proof in court, but Lawyers
generally
laugh at this sort of thing, in other words it is popular folk-law.

Two sources are the Patent and Trademark Office at 1-800-PTO-9199 or their www
site at : http://www.uspto.gov also the book "The Graphic Artist Guild
Handbook
Pricing and Ethical Guidlines" is a great source for many of these issues.

Bottom line is for Trademarks, do a search if it doesn't exist submit an
application
a few months later if you were the only one applying or the first in line
chances
are you will get it. And its you can save a fee.

I hope this helps...

- -David

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Mclean, VA http://www.studio256.com

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