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FAQ de la EOS Mailing List (Preguntas más frecuentes), versión 0.3.1.
Mantenida por Janne Sinkkonen (janne@iki.fi)
Última modificación: 22 de Agosto de 1.997
Otras contribuciones:Per Danielsson pd@sics.se
Willem-Jan Markerink w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Howard Dinin howard@bertha.comEste mensaje informativo se envía a todos los suscriptores de la lista EOS, y (de manero no periódica) a todos los integrantes de la lista. POR FAVOR, LÉELO Y GUÁRDALO PARA REFERENCIAS FUTURAS!
Actualmente, esta FAQ está disponible vía ftp anónimo en ftp://psych.helsinki.fi/pub/photo/eos-list-faq y vía WWW en http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos/faq.txt Puedes también obtenerla enviando un mensaje a majordomo@psych.helsinki.fi diciendo 'info eos'. La FAQ sobre EOS de Bob Atkins está en http://bobatkins.photo.net/info/rest.htm. Los archivos de la lista están en http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos
LEE ESTAS FAQ ANTES DE PONER NINGÚN MENSAJE EN LA LISTA.
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The EOS Mailing List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions), version 0.3.1. Maintained by Janne Sinkkonen janne@iki.fi Last-modified: Fri Aug 22 14:15:29 EET DST 1997
Author: Janne Sinkkonen <janne@iki.fi>
Other main contributors:
Per Danielsson
<pd@sics.se>
Willem-Jan Markerink
<w.j.markerink@a1.nl>
Howard Dinin howard@bertha.com
This informative message is sent to the new subscribers of the EOS list, and (a)periodically to everybody on the list. If you have never seen this,...
...PLEASE READ IT THROUGH
AND SAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE! Currently, this FAQ is available via anonymous ftp from ftp://psych.helsinki.fi/pub/photo/eos-list-faq and via WWW from http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos/faq.txt You can also get it by sending a mail message to majordomo@psych.helsinki.fi saying 'info eos'. Bob Atkins' EOS FAQ is at http://bobatkins.photo.net/info/rest.htm READ THE EOS FAQs BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING ONTO THE LIST! The list archives are at http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos |
CONTENTS
1. List policy
1.1. What should I ask/discuss on the list?
1.2. What shouldn't I ask/discuss
on the list?
1.2.1. If not on this list, where?
1.2.2. [OFF-TOPIC]
1.3. Why on earth?
1.4. [This space is strictly
reserved for future expansions]
1.5. Why posting is restricted: the
spamming problem
2. Operating manual
2.1. What is majordomo?
2.1.1. The name 'majordomo' is odd.
2.1.2. Majordomo is difficult to use.
2.2. What are digests?
2.2.1 What is the eos-readers list?
Should I join it?
2.3. How to subscribe?
2.4. How to unsubscribe?
2.4.1. I want to change my subscription
address.
2.5. I want the digest instead of
separate messages. What to do?
2.5.1. Digests are ugly and hard to manage. Is
there yet another way
to
read the list?
2.6. Majordomo says I'm not on the
list,
but I
still get some messages!
2.7. I can't subscribe. I have a
slash ('/') in my address.
2.7.1. I have an X.400 address and I can't
subscribe.
2.7.2. I'm in the BITNET and I have problems
subscribing.
2.8. How do I post messages onto
the list?
2.8.1. I posted my message to
eos@psych.helsinki.fi but apparently it
didn't get through.
2.9. I got thrown out of the list.
What have I done wrong?
2.10. I get duplicate messages. What to
do?
2.11. I'm totally lost. Can anybody help
me?
2.12. What is avocado?
3. Advice for newbies, netiquette
3.1. I'm a new subscriber. Any advice?
3.1.1. How to configure my mailer?
3.2. What are the worst and/or most
common mistakes I can make?
3.3. What do I do to find out
whether the list is functioning or not?
4. Technical details and history of the list
4.1. Overall, is the list functioning properly?
4.2. What kind of machine is the
list server?
5. Pointers for related information
5.1. List archives and the list WWW page
5.1.1. There is a hole in the list archives
5.1.2. The search engine for the list archives
does not find 'X'
although I just read about 'X' from the archives.
5.1.3. The search engine sucks.
5.2. FAQs (Frequently Asked
Questions)
5.3. Lens tests (both Canon EF and
third-party)
5.4. Newsgroups and mailintg lists
5.5. Miscellaneous
[End of table of contents]
1. List policy
1.1. What should I ask/discuss on the list?
EOS bodies, Canon EF lenses, Canon accessories for EOS, third-party lenses for EOS and aspects of photographic technique really related to the EOS system are all good subjects on the list. Questions which are answered in the FAQs (see above) should not be asked, unless you feel that there's something wrong or missing in the answers of the FAQ. 'For sale' posts are appropriate, but only if they are about selling EOS equipment (Canon or third party). Advertising in commercial purposes is not allowed. Meta-discussion about the list and its policy is also sometimes welcome.
Examples:
Infrared film and EOS
A2E - it works [but read the FAQ first]
TS lenses - are they worth the price?
Sunpak [a flash], EOS and my mom - they are
incompatible
The future of USM and image stabilising lenses
Which body to use with EF 600mm f/1.0 for
photographing owls
Is EOS5 matrix metering adequate for owl photography?
Bug in the EOS5 software
For sale: EF 1200/5.6L, only $995!
Quality of this list
1.2. What shouldn't I ask/discuss on the list?
Anything which is not directly related to EOS systems is better to deal with in the rec.photo groups. Questions which are answered in the FAQs should not be asked again. Follow the list for a while or read the most recent archives http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eso/ so that you won't post something which has just been discussed to death.
Examples:
Fuji Velvia sucks
[Velvia is a film]
My Nikon 600mm IF-ED f/1.1 is heavy [Nikon is another
camera brand]
Is Manfrotto or Bogen better [they are tripods]
Grand Canyon and me as subjects
I just got my EOS 2N!!! Where should I go to get good
photos?
I can't unsubscribe!
For sale: Lowe Photo-Trekker [it's a camera bag]
Our newest price list on Canon equipment [commercial]
ALSO REMEMBER TO USE A DESCRIPTIVE SUBJECT! Change the subject if the content of the discussion changes. These subject lines are no good:
Help!
(no subject)
Re:
I'm confused!
Matrix metering [when the contents of the messages
are something else]
1.2.1. If not on this list, where?
You should familiarize yourself especially with rec.photo.equipment.35mm and the other rec.photo groups. A very good list of photo-related mailing lists available in http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/photolists.html One of them is PhotoForum. "The PhotoForum is an educational network and databank established to serve the photographic and imaging communities in general with a medium for exchange of ideas and with an accessible databank of files on information about various subjects." See http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/photoforum.html If you want bare information, read the FAQs, browse the list archives and/or try search engines:
http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos/
http://www.altavista.digital.com/
http://www.excite.com/
http://www.lycos.com/
http://www.yahoo.com/
http://www.dejanews.com/
1.2.2. [OFF-TOPIC]
If for some reason it is absolutely necessary to post off-topic messages, use the [OFF-TOPIC] subject prefix:
[OFF-TOPIC] Nikon F5
The prefix allows purists to filter off-topic messages from their mail automatically, and provides a clear indicator of off-topicness to others. Posting off-topic messages equals to shouting, in a sense. If you have a good reason to shout, do it. But don't shout all the time. It irritates people. Off-topic policy has been under more or less continuous discussion on the list. It may change in future. Be careful with the exact form of the [OFF-TOPIC] tag. Write it to the beginning of the subject line, in capital letters, and equipped with square brackets and a dash. Do on include spaces within square brackets. This exactness makes it easier to filter off-topic messages to trashcan.
1.3. Why on earth?
First, the rec.photo.* groups in the Usenet (news) exist. They carry quite high-quality discussion. Experts write there regularly. The list owner does not want parallel overlapping forums. Mailing lists for users of certain equipment keep detailed and specialized equipment discussion out of rec.photo groups, and make the newsgroups a pleasant forum for anybody practising 35mm photography or photography in general. On the other hand, equipment can be discussed with high S/N ratio on the specialized lists. (Signal-to-noise ratio is of course high only for users of the same camera system.)
1.5. Why posting is restricted: the spamming problem
As of August 1997, posting to the eos list is restricted to members of the EOS list and the EOS digest list only (with a minor exception, see below). Imposing this restriction was necessary because the volume of spam on the list grew intolerable. "Spam" is approximately synonymous with "unsolicited commercial e-mail," that is, it's like junk mail that comes through the regular post. If you are not a member of the eos list or the eos-digest list, but still want to post to the eos list for some reason, you can subscribe the eos-readers mailing list, which gives you the right to post to the eos list (though you will not receive any posts from other subscribers; yes, there's a good reason for this too--we have a lot of friends out there who have the time to post interesting information, but no time to join the fray).
Please note, spamming or any other e-mail through the eos-readers list is virtually impossible; it is not a real mailing list, just a way to keep a record of those who are not regular subscribers, but still read the list somehow and occasionally post to it as well. Being on the eos-readers list lets your mail through with minimal delay. By subscribing the corresponding addresses to eos-readers, you can also enable posting from many arbitrary sites or hosts. In this way, for example, you can still post when you are away from the computer from which you usually post eos messages. See 2.8.1.
2. Operating manual
2.1. What is majordomo?
Majordomo is an automatic list management system dealing with subscriptions, unsubscriptions, digests etc. It makes life easier for the list manager. If you really want to know, see http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/
2.1.1. The name 'majordomo' is odd.
Don't blame me.
2.1.2. Majordomo is difficult to use.
Maybe, but it is also widely used and among the best mailing list management software around. Furthermore, it is freely available.
2.2. What are digests?
Digests are collections of messages sent to a mailing list, sent in one bunch. Normally they are unedited and unmoderated. If you just want to read the list and never or seldom write yourself, or if the volume of the list feels too high, consider subscribing to the digest list. See 2.5 below.
If the volume feels high, consider also using mailing software with capability to sort messages automatically into separate folders.
2.2.1 What is the eos-readers list? Should I join it?
It is impossible to write to the eos list from an address which is not subscribed to one of the eos-related mailing lists at http://psych.helsinki.fi eos-readers is a dummy mailing list used to keep track of addresses that are not on eos nor on eos-digest, but from which people still want to post to the EOS list. Subscribing to eos-readers does not add anything to your incoming e-mail. See 1.4 and 2.8.1.
2.3. How to subscribe?
Send a mail to majordomo@psych.helsinki.fi saying in its body (body is the message text, the subject line is not part of it):
subscribe eos
If you really want to get your mail to an address (e.g. me@there.com) which is different from the one from which you are sending, write
subscribe eos me@there.com
instead of just "subscribe eos". Prepare for delay, because subscriptions like this are not handled automatically. Remember the 'me@there.com' part so that you can unsubscribe properly when the day comes. Majordomo will ask you to confirm your subscription. It replies to your subscription message, and this reply contains the exact form of the confirmation command, which you should simply send back to majordomo.
2.4. How to unsubscribe?
Instead of "subscribe" above in 2.3, write "unsubscribe". That is, send a mail to majordomo@psych.helsinki.fi saying
unsubscribe eos
or
unsubscribe eos-digest
or
unsubscribe eos me@there.com
or
unsubscribe eos-digest me@there.com
In the latter two cases, prepare for a delay of hours or days. The eos list and the eos-digest list are two logically separate lists. To unsubscribe properly, you need to know which list you have subscribed, as well as your subscription address on the list. See also 2.3 and 2.6.
Please NOTE that 'eos-digest' is written with a dash and without spaces.
2.4.1. I want to change my subscription address.
First unsubscribe the old one, then subscribe the new. If your old address was invalid, you may have already been unsubscribed by the list administrator. By the way, it is a _very_ bad practice to leave invalid addresses onto the list.
2.5. I want the digest instead of separate messages. What to do?
The digest list and the non-digestified list are logically separate. Unsubscribe eos and subscribe eos-digest instead. After that, if you totally unsubscribe, remember to unsubscribe eos-digest, not eos. See 2.3 and 2.4 on how to subscribe and unsubscribe.
2.5.1. Digests are ugly and hard to manage. Is there yet another way to read the list?
But of course. See http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eso/ It is possible to write to the eos list without getting any e-mail by subscribing the eos-readers list. See 1.4, 2.2.1, and 2.8.1.
2.6. Majordomo says I'm not on the list, but I still get some messages!
Maybe you have just unsubscribed - you may get some messages even after unsubscribing, because they were sent to the list and queued while you were still a subscriber. The maximum possible delay in this kind of case is about one week.
Maybe you have subscribed an address you don't remember or recognize anymore. Use the majordomo "who" command. Write a mail to majordomo saying
who eos
who eos-digest
and find out from the reply which list you have subscribed on and with what kind of address. If you have Unix, consider using the grep command.
Finally, it is possible that you are a member of one of the redistribution lists. You should really know it yourself, though. In this case the maintainer of the primary EOS mailing list can't help you, and it makes no sense to send help requests or majordomo messages to the addresses ending .helsinki.fi.
2.7. I can't subscribe. I have a slash ('/') in my address.
This is unfortunate. The majordomo version used in psych.helsinki.fi does not handle addresses with slashes. (Actually the current version may support them.)
2.7.1. I have an X.400 address and I can't subscribe.
See above.
2.7.2. I'm in the BITNET and I have problems subscribing.
Get a real Internet address. psych.helsinki.fi does not handle BITNET addresses nor it is going to.
2.8. How do I post messages onto the list?
Send them to 'eos@psych.helsinki.fi'.
2.8.1. I posted my message to eos@psych.helsinki.fi but apparently it did not get onto the list. What's happening?
The list has roughly 579 500 members (eos and eos-digest; August 1997). There can be a delay of hours or even days until you get your own message back.
Another reason for delays is that your message may have been caught by a filter trying to detect inappropriate messages. In this case the message is waiting the approval of the list administrator. The list administrator may not be online, probably because he is sleeping, drinking beer, climbing or photographing. Be patient. After a few days, if you still have not gotten the message yourself, you should check whether you are still subscribed. Also, check past messages (maybe from the archive, http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos/) to see whether the list administrator has announced a vacation, namely his.
It is possible that you are sending from an address which is not subscribed to any of the eos-related mailing lists at psych.helsinki.fi. In that case your message is automatically sent for approval - this is to prevent inappropriate third-party messages (spams). You may prevent this problem by subscribing your address to the eos-readers list. See 1.4 and 2.2.1.
2.9. I got thrown out of the list. What have I done wrong?
Nothing, probably. Your mailbox may have been full, or sending mail to you may have been impossible due to other reasons. Addresses causing bouncing are thrown out of the list sooner or later. If mailing to you works again, resubscribe.
2.10. I get duplicate messages. What to do?
Make sure you are not subscribed twice with two different addresses. If not, drop a mail to the mailing list administrator immediately (eos-help@psych.helsinki.fi).
2.11. I'm totally lost. Can anybody help me?
Read this document again. If you are still lost, send a mail to eos-help@psych.helsinki.fi and describe the problem. Remember, eos-help@psych.helsinki.fi is not a robot, so (s)he may not react to messages saying just "help" or "unsubscribe".
2.12. What is avocado?
Besides being something between a vegetable and a fruit, it is also a computer. The new names for avocado are psych.helsinki.fi and www.psych.helsinki.fi Use the new names. The old name may work, but it's long-term functionality is not guaranteed.
3. Advice for newbies, netiquette, techical details
3.1. I'm a new subscriber. Any advice?
Yes. If you are new to majordomo or mailing lists in general, read part 2 of this message. Read part 1 anyway. Read the EOS FAQ before you ask anything on the list. Feel free to ask anything after you have read the FAQ, if you still want to. Follow the list for a while before you post. Or browse part of the archives to see what the discussion is like. When you reply, avoid long quotes and signatures. See also 3.2 below.
Decide whether you want to reply personally or onto the list. After deciding which method of replying you prefer and after pressing something like 'reply' or 'follow-up' in your mail reader, check that the recipient address in your message is correct.
3.1.1. How to configure my mailer?
It does not matter much except one thing: TURN OFF any facilities which ask the reader's mailer or a mail delivery program to return a receipt to you (after reading, after successful delivery). These receipts will sometimes be sent to the whole list. The problem is that most people are not really interested in whether you have read a particular message or not. If you find a 'Return-Receipt-To:' or 'X-Send-Confirmation-To:' header in your outgoing mail, you need to check the configuration of your mailer.
3.2. What are the worst and/or most common mistakes I can make.
3.3. What do I do to find out whether the list is functioning or not?
Generally, you should do nothing. The amount of traffic on the list fluctuates more than what you may expect. The messages are not independently distributed over time: one message tend to generate new messages. If you really are in doubt, check whether you are still subscribed. If you are not, resubscribe. If you are, ask the list administrator whether everything is ok. Don't send test messages. If you want discussion, find out a good topic first.
4. Technical details.
4.1. Overall, is the list functioning properly?
Technically yes. There may be some problems about once or twice a year when server software is updated.
4.2. What kind of machine is the list server?
Right now it is a 90MHz Pentium with 64MBs of memory running a popular Unix variant. Load has not killed the server yet nor will it in the near future. It is connected into the big Internet through a 10Mbps ethernet, which in turn is connected to the Finnish university backbone network running over ATM. The machine is maintained by a part-time Unix freak. If the hardware fails, a long break in service is possible. Yes backups are done irregularly. :)
5. Pointers for related information
5.1. List archives and the list WWW page:
http://www.psych.helsinki.fi/archives/eos/
You can also take anonymous ftp to psych.helsinki.fi and check the directory /pub/photo.
5.1.1. There is a hole in the list archives!
The archives are maintained manually except for the archives containing "current" messages. Sometimes there is a hole between these current archives and the older ones. The hole disappears next time the archives are manually updated (may take months but not years :)).
5.1.2. The search engine for the list archives does not find 'X' although I just read about 'X' from the archives
The search engine only sees older archives. Indexes for the engine are somewhat cumbersome to produce - thus they are updated very very infrequently.
5.1.3. The search engine sucks
Yes it does. Maybe I will replace it with a smarter one at some point. I already tried to install Excite's EWS 1.1. but gave up because of a bunch of problems.
5.2. FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)
http://bobatkins.photo.net/info/rest.htm
5.3. Lens tests (both Canon EF and third-party)
http://ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu/~murthy/Canon.html
http://www.sics.se/~pd/EF-lenses.html.
http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unl4/canon.htm
5.4. Newsgroups and mailing lists
rec.photo.darkroom
rec.photo.digital
rec.photo.equipment.35mm (Canon EOS questions
welcome)
rec.photo.equipment.misc (Accessories)
rec.photo.film+labs
rec.photo.marketplace (For selling
and buying)
rec.photo.misc
rec.photo.moderated
(Serious discussion - moderated)
rec.photo.technique.art
rec.photo.technique.misc
rec.photo.technique.nature
rec.photo.technique.people
PhotoForum: see http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/photoforum.html
A comprehensive list of photo-related mailing
lists:
http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/photolists.html
All mailing lists: http://www.liszt.com/
5.5. Miscellaneous
Bob Atkin's WWW page
http://bobatkins.photo.net/
Olle's collection of EOS information
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8917/
Canon USA
http://www.usa.canon.com/
Press releases
ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/acs/rec.photo/canon/press_releases/
Info on Elan II
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~jshea/photo/elanii.html
W.-J.'s EOS and infrared and other stuff
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm
[End of the FAQ]
