That Olde Black Irish...

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Never on the list! Sounds like that newspaper column by Sup. Angela Alioto describing Willie's histrionics about being 'black Irish' as 'da Queen' (Elizabeth)

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Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:27:38 PST From: 'Rudra Mac Chumaill'; forasnai@hotmail.com To: CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE Cc: Subject: '...black Irish...'


--The term 'black Irish' has been much bandied about and has come to be misused as a 'racial' or 'genetic' description (for example, da Mayor of San Francisco, Willie Brown, an African-American from a backwoods little town in Texas, in all seriousness, describes himself as an 'Irish baron' who is 'black Irish'[...Yet perhaps he is, as yet another Saxon swine-devil usurper ala Colgrin, in the reincarnation of that infamous despoiler of virgin maidens of the Springs-- pop da hymies' hymens, da younger the better!--a miscreant who, along with his band of cronies, was responsible, according to legend, for Camelot becoming The Wasteland...]).

Various cultures, over time, have made these type of pitches as to being reponsible for the 'noble' traits that have been ascribed to those 'black Irish.' The Romans, in particular, under the Caesar's, took credit for this genetic 'civilizing' of the 'Celts as other.' And for those who brought up the subject of 'invasions,' as our Celtic/Gaelic 'Book of Invasions' does indeed log the most attempts against one culture ever made in History, remember that only the British recently were ever in any *degree* successful at domination.

Another good source for the different cultural types and features among the Celts is the work of Gildas, especially 'The Ruin of Britain,' (c. 550 A.D.), in which he terms the invading Saxons 'Black Heathen' (the *swarthiness* one on the list mentioned as perhaps 'black Irish,' which it is not, see, for example, any illustrations of 'Colgrin the Cold Grin of Death,' the Germanic:Saxon 'swine- devil' unsuccessful raider of Celtic Britain prior to the Angles and later Saxons changing the cultural character from olde Celtic to the modern day Brits) and the invading Picts as 'Red Heathen' (pasty-faced, corpulent, small, beady-eyed, and red-haired but 'pin-headed'), and the 'Yellow Heathen' (those Vikings and Scandanavians quite ruthless as large, stodgy, slow-moving but thorough invaders). These types are to be contrasted with the 'Golden Age' that Celtic Britain had begun to experience through the part-Roman consul Ambrosius, his son Uther of Pendragon, and Arthur. While descriptions of Ambrosius have him blond, finely-haired and featured (looking like the Greek Ptolemy, commander to Alexander the Great), both Uther and Arthur--as well as noble Guenevier-- have traditionally been depicted as 'black Celtic,' that is, dark, wavy chestnut- haired, patrician cheek-boned and featured and an almost Semitic cant to the ears and chin.

Since the anthropological description of 'black Irish' as 'long-skulled' has been in use some time for identifying people of this cultural type, the origin is most certainly Indo-European from a long while ago. Besides the darker-hair, or chestnut and 'henna red' brown, and the high cheekbones, oval, finely-featured face, the body type is tall and thin, though often broad-shouldered and low- body-fat muscled. The term well applies to that Roman Celt, Marcus Antonius, in embodying, too, the 'Dionysian' type as compared and contrasted with the 'Apollonian,' more fair-haired and 'lighter' personality, as the ancient Greeks made distinction.

And as Jean Markale has noted the 'successive waves' of Celts from the 'great Asiatic river plain,' of which the recent 'tartan discovery' was part, through the areas now known as Judea, Iran, Achaean Greece,Italy,France, the Danube, Poland, etc., perhaps the prototypical 'Black Irish' is the Indo-European figure of Krishna, termed 'The Dark Lord,' ala Dionysos. Despite the current rage of 'deconstructuralism' ascribing racial characteristics of a too-literal nature that, when one reads the Vedas and other Hindu:Buddhist wisdom texts, one sees is clearly 'mish-taken,' the meaning of 'The Dark Lord' remains the same; much as Achilleus describes the Two Jars of Zeus in 'The Iliad,' from which Heaven dispenses *blessings* and *misfortune* in amounts according to 'one's own karma,' the same process functions as the 'working metaphor' of ancient Vedic wisdom. One transforms obstacles into hurdles, and one remembers, too, that one's life is as transient as a 'brief flash of lightning through the inky sky.' For those who do not heed the urgings towards meritorious conduct and forget the 'opportunity' for 'choosing well' with whichwe are all born, 'equally,' the figure of Krishna the Avenger looms large, as, just as King Arthur swore by his immortal soul to 'always protect the Tom Thumbs and wee little ones,' the Krishna has functioned through time in the same way, and his wrath, calling forth one's 'negative karma' in the Spotlight of Heaven, making one's misdeeds a kind of acrid 'pyschic' goo which can no longer be 'transferred' to 'another,' is indeed to be feared--in the same way as our Celtic Cu Chu Lainn, often described as being 'darkened' with 'warrior trembling,' a matter having to do with 'the bitter gall of the Heavenly Mother,' as the Greeks have termed the *secret* of why Achilleus, as well as Alexander to follow, became The Invincible One.


best, rudra
who indeed has a *private* agenda in his 'mousetrap' use of rhetoric, a matter that, given the number of *royal* rats thus caught, he will in no way make *excuse* regarding, as many allusions take Time...

That Olde Civilized [Dark] Irish...

[comments by Rudra follow Bette's (>>)]:

Date: 2 Jan 1997 21:03:13 -0000 From: t.f. noonan; tfnoonan@hotmail.com To: forasnai@hotmail.com Cc: Subject: Re: Re:[civilized] Black Irish

>From forasnai@hotmail.com Thu Dec 12 21:45:22 1996 Received: Date: 13 Dec 1996 05:45:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19961213054515.22225.qmail@hotmail.com Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:45:15 PST From: "Rudra Mac Chumaill" ;forasnai@hotmail.com To: CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE Cc: Subject: Re:[civilized] Black Irish Send reply to: "CELTIC-L - The Celtic Culture List. CELTIC-L@listserv.hea.ie >>From: Bette [ ] ;bette@[ ].NET Subject: Re: Black Irish To: CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE

>> What about the myth, utilized as a background to Joyce's _Ulysses_, that when Ulysses was looking for home, he stumbled on Ireland and his crew had children with the people already there--so, we are really Greek! Where did this myth come from, originally? I have always felt this affinity for everything Greek...

>>Eilis
>>>Like the Britons being Trojan (see previous thread) this is just the Irish thinking of a way to impress the classical world with their lineage. [Mr. Wagner's comment's]


[Rudra's Two Pennies]:

--Bette, Acionna, [anam cara], the *completion* to the tale making the rounds in your head is the story of Achilleus and Ulysses...

(MIDI MUSIC: Stay tuned, folks, yes, indeed, an *authentic* reference to 'Real Celts' preview to follow...)

...As the *mythos* goes (and, by the way, a *classical* explanation for the very different styles to the 'Iliad' and 'Odyssey' is that an *alive* Achilleus, a 'real man,' so to speak, and brave Ulysses each told one's own tale--this 'Homer' being one of the first official 'court stooges' ripping off somebody else's *stor-eeH* 'cause it's *too good to be true* and Heaven, in His/Her Almighty Wisdom, struck the fool blind for claiming to be a *seer*):

Achilleus, our archtypal 'Black Irish,' was not very impressed with the sly Ulysses upon being stuck with him on the same battlefield (nothing personal, just stratagems), and, in fact, warned his troops most loyal to 'be careful, this Odesseus has a past as a pirate; he's not above stooping to another's misfortune.' (from the 'Iliad,' mine own translation). Now peruse ye the 'Odyssey,' and encounter our 'crying to Heaven' figure of ship-wrecked Odesseus, having further complicated his karmic 'mish-take' with his dilly-dalliance with Circe of the Swine-Minions, not a *wise* choice of consort...Given the immortal nature of Thetis, the Heavenly Mother of Achilleus, the tear-down-the-cheek-in-tipped-sadness-as-attempting-to- understand mysteriousness of a 'second chance,' a 'shot at redemption,' as 'I cudda been a contenda' comes into play, so our hero, Odesseus, *hears* that he is to walk inland with the oar upon his back that he previously made use of as a pirate of 'anything goes' until he encounters his kind, gentle cousins who have no 'idea' what he's carrying or why...

Now, when our wandering hero of sorrow makes his way home again to Ithaca, he tells his son--grown large in his abscence--of the tale, and how he'd thought this Achilleus an upstart braggart, especially with the way he'd brutally parody the Achaean's alleged *leaders* (especially ole fearful, frightful, 'well, I don't know' Agammemnon-the-One-Eyed-MMummer), until he heard the youthful Achilleus pronounce judgement upon his *character* in a manner *different*...Closing the tale with the wisdom now seen...

As promised, the 'REFERENCE TO REAL CELTS' previously advertised: our 'Black Irish' forebearer Alexander the Great (one eye dark-brown-green, the other blue-green, 'intuitive' right and 'rational' left,respectively, as well as wavy, chestnut-henna hair and tall, heterosexual warrior build...despite and to spite the disinformation of History to discredit his transmigrated soul 'fore it appears again, we'll rule the world!...), searching for his ancestors, encountering a real Irish:Celt Chieftain, asked the shrewdly-appraising man what he most feared...The response being: 'No man do I fear, nor woman,[chuckles and looks downward in respect for his cherished nature among females], nor beast--just that I may not do my duty someday, and Heaven in all want of Mercy would fall and utterly crush me...'

Whereupon Alexander pronounced him the 'wisest man in the world,' having already travelled afar, and made a note to Learn more about these Celts...


laboremus,
Rudra Mac Chumaill, Namgyal Monastery
Dharamsala, India

--'General rule that speaker has right to tailor speech is not restricted to press, but rather, is enjoyed by business corporations generally and by ordinary people engaged in unsophisticated expression as well as by professional publishers...[Dissent] boils down to the choice of a speaker not to propound a particular point of view...'
*Hurley v, Irish-American Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Group of Boston*
(1995) 115 S. Ct. 2338

--Our Day Will Come...in the meantime, as Gustave Flaubert said 'la plat a la mode,' let us not become 'poisoned by the filth of modern life'

--When born into a *munus sine missione*, a *vir fortis*, one *gladiatorio animo*, has only to *recto tibi invictoque moriendum est*.
(Seneca, *Epistulae*, 7.4)

--'If there is a lonesome tall pine tree standing, the forest has not ended'...
Olde Tibetan Saying

--'Wealth that is acquired by proper means in a manner
That harms none will yield both virtue and happiness.'
Gurudeva's Vedas, Trikural Verse 754

abhaya,
rig feinnid, [anam cara]

--'O you, wise druids/ ask of Arthur/ who is older than me, in the chants!/ Someone has come/ to think of the flood/ and Christ crucified/ and the judgement to come...'
*The Three Seats of Taliesin*, trans. Jean Markale, 'The Celts,' p. 243

--'Such an injury [insult] would vex a very saint.'
Will Shakespeare, *The Taming of the Shrew*, III, ii, 28

--Seamus Heaney, in 'The Redress of Poetry' (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1995) quotes Wallace Stevens on the *nobility* of poetry being 'a violence within that protects us from a violence without,'('The Noble Rider and the Sound of Words'), as if defending against a heckler of the *rhu-barbarians* as Tony Harrison called those demanding art be a 'mistress' to politics...

--'Mise E/ire / Uaigni/ me/ na/ an Cailleach Be/arra'
a noble Fenian of olde, Patrick Pearse

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