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Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:38:50 -0000 From: ‘Rudra Mac Cuhmaill’ ;forasnai@hotmail.com To: whisper@WGSERV.BAUDTOWN.COM Cc: Subject: [Re:] Re: Celtic Legends/Myths
[snip] >To: CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE

>Kerry Elizabeth: At 06:15 PM 4/12/96 PST, you wrote:

>>Excuse me.. first of all I am NOT a ‘he.’ And don't you even dare start to accuse me of being some typical lazy student. We have 3 local libraries here. [snip] >> I have looked for Celtic Books and have found NONE. [snip] >>Now about that comment that ‘..hasn't paid a bit of attention in class..’ I am in Mythology.. we mainly cover that of Greek mythology.. I am a straight A student.. so don't even think that I don't listen for one minute [snip] >>If you have any other rude comments.. perhaps
you could direct them to me.

>Listen, Kerry Elizabeth: I don't believe I was rude in any way [snip]

>> I offered my thanks for any help that could be offered. It's hard to understand the stories of a culture you have never studied before,
so give me a break.

[snip]

>...be useful. You deserve as much of a break as any other student.
No less. No more.

[new comments by rudra/tom follows:]

--Well, well, well...Not to worry, Kerry Elizabeth, a Chairenn, a chroi, some of us understand your plight...I myself grew up in a drinkwater of a town where, despite being a straight-A student in high school as well, I had to quit the basketball team my senior year (even after being scouted by Jim Boeheim of Syracuse University) over a ‘teaching style’ disagreement with a redneck of a coach who insisted I cut my chestnut:raven:crow's gleaming wavy hair and who (the coach) could not *truck* with my pacifist's objections to his breaking clipboards over the heads of teammates for minor transgressions (his face about to burst blood vessels in doing so...). Try Ray, our Brehon, for ‘reputable’ sources that he most likely has archived. For ‘tales,’ why I'm sure some of the List memebers must have a few here and there.

I made a joke about one of the esteemed *elders* in my Tibetan Buddhist tradition, a fellow Rinpoche, who was featured in the international wire services, from Thailand, whacking his pupils on the head with a teaching staff because ‘the crap-for-brains are frittering away one's time here without thinking of the Bardo-to-Be, i.e., merely awaiting that Heavenly Flush’; well, I have consulted him about this ‘teacher,’ Ms. Pamela, being so harsh on you, and a look of great *alarm* crossed his face and he said, ‘Reminds me of that acting teacher you had for a year, rudra; that completely-insane axe-murderess who *Norman Bates*'s her girlfriend for going out with a man, behind her back, and then stole her dead lovergirl's acting certificate and wound up plaguing you with her certified-insane Napa State Hospital alleged auteur's personality...Someone take Sister Mary Elephant's ruler away before she *trusses* again!

[anam cara,]

rudra...laboremus, Rudra Mac Chumaill,
Namgyal Monastery ,Dharamsala, India

--Our Day Will Come...in the meantime, as Gustave Flaubert said of ‘la plat a la mode,’ let us not become ‘poisoned by the filth of modern life’

--When born into a *munus sine missione*, a *vir fortis*, one *gladiatorio animo*, has only to *recto tibi invictoque moriendum est*. (Seneca, *Epistulae* 7.4)

--‘If there is a lonesome tall pine tree standing, the forest has not ended...’

Olde Tibetan Saying

--’Wealth that is acquired by proper means in a manner
That harms none will yield both virtue and happiness.’
Gurudeva's Vedas, Trikural Verse 754
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Four Masters of Olde

To: "CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE" Subject: Re: Four Masters" Cc: Bcc: "tfnoonan@hotmail.com" CELTIC-L@listserv.hea.ie>; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:37:23 -0800 Re: Four Masters

<<“according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters [known, too, as the Book of the Four Seasons, our Druidic “teachers”...].

[reply and << by Rudra]

--Yes, indeed, Tom, you are correct. The reference was meant to be ironic, in the sense that, when these Irish monks painstakingly re-scribed the manuscripts that had been collected during the Dark Ages, as described by Mr. Cahill in ‘How the Irish Saved Civilization,’ any Druidic source was eliminated as a form of ‘politically correct revisionism.’ While I'm an admirer of Saint Patrick,and, in the same vein as Thomas Jefferson, an ‘eternal enemy’ of the ‘snakes of tyranny,’ nonetheless I'm quite sceptical about ‘others’ of a less ‘enlightened’ nature attempting to ‘do the right thing,’ as historicaly *exampled* by countless Druidic manuscripts, most *encoded* with Ogham- style ‘esoteric’ meanings hidden to ‘interlopers’ in case the missives fell into the wrong hands...which, when they did, meant ‘public burnings’ of the works as ‘of the devil, even the slightest touch of the manuscriupt will damn you forever!’

The research I find reputable puts this ‘Wicker Man’ allegations of Druids as ‘human sacrificers’ in the same category of ‘another's ignorance.’ Political assassinations did indeed occur *disguised* as Druidic rituals when the Romans arrived in the Celtic Isles, as a careful reading of the Roman historians will show of the cleverly ‘interweaved’ state- sponsored propaganda to ‘disinformation’ the Druids and Celts, who, having *deigned* to assist their consular representatives, wound up ‘done in’ by the ‘dirty tricks’ minions of the several hundred or so ruthlessly controlling the Roman Empire as the ‘iron hands’ of the military, those savagely ignorant followers of Caesar Tyrannos, who'd established a ‘neo-plutocracy’ in ‘the name of the revolution.’

One might *confere* with the image of Julius Caesar, after setting afire the Greek papyrus of recorded History at the Alexandrian Library, some 800,00 manuscripts painstakingly gathered and assembled just like the Irish did; this ‘little boy buffoon’ Uncle Julius having to jump into the harbour and swim for his life after cutting off his escape route inadvertently, losing most of the few pirated documents he planned on ‘revising’ to further his claim of ‘divine right to rule,’ i.e., some Heavenly Wisdom all right, but belonging to ‘another’...

[onam cara, rudra/tom]

Rudra's tale of the Tuatha

To: "CELTIC-L@LISTSERV.HEA.IE" Subject: "Re: Tuatha" Cc: Bcc: "tfnoonan@hotmail.com"

[new comments by Rudra following...]

>From: [ ]@FORBAIRT.IE Organization: Forbairt ; Subject: Re: Tuatha
>> But I am still at a loss to get an overall picture of the colonization of Ireland. For what's it's worth, the mythology speaks of the Fomor, the Tuatha De Danaan, who were supposedly in Ireland at the same time of the Firbolgs, and then finally the arriving Gaels.

If the Gaels were a Celtic tribe or group, and the Celts in general began arriving in Ireland about 300 B.C., when might the Gaels (Sons of Miled?) have arrived there? Thanks for any clarification, where possible.
>>[ ]@BBS.MacNexus.Org
>[Shea's]:The simple answer to your question is that we just don't know who occupied Ireland before the Celts. All we know for certain is that it was occupied from the late Neolithic period and Celtic artifacts began to appear about 300 BC.

There are some *theories* that the earliest inhabitants migrated northwards from Africa or Spain along the Atlantic seaboard. These are supported by the fact that the earliest evidence of habitation in Ireland is on the west coast.

The Fomorans, Fir Bolg, TdD and the rest are *all* mythological, although the TdD, being named after Dana, could give them a certain credibility and indicate that they were the first Celts to arrive in Ireland. Many scholars are of the opinion the the Sons of Miled was a fabrication of the bards to provide a suitable lineage for certain Irish nobility.
Hoping this adds to the confusion.

>Shae

[reply and new material by rudra/joey frank/tom follows:]

Dear Shea,

Found this item from the *gterma* treasure trove:

--’*Parthalon* is by our most ancient authorities recorded to have come into Erinn about three hundred years after the Deluge. [Some bards date said matter as 5,000 years ago] He is said to have come from *Migdonia*, or Middle Greece, with a small company; but among these we are told that there were three Druids, whose names are given: *Fios, Eolus, and Fochmore* (Intelligence, Knowledge, and Inquiry)...

The next colony, led by *Nemid* and his sons, is said to have come from *Scythia* [now the stretch from Macedonia to the Ukraine, area, too, of the old Celtic trading outpost and kingdom *Galaetia*,whose path stretched from the coasts of Spain and Brittainy to the silk roads of China and India] about three hundred and thirty years after the coming of *Parthelon*. *Nemid's* sons were: *Starn, Iarbonel 'the Prophet,' Fergus 'the Half-Red,' and Aininn*. And this colony soon, according to our oldest records, came in contact with the power of hostile Druidism, to which they opposed their own *Nemid*, it appears, had not remained long in peace in the country, before he was disturbed by the incursions of the sea rovers, who are known in our old writings under the name of the *Fomorians*...

*Beothach*, [son of 'the Prophet'], we are told, with his clan went to the northern parts of Europe [centered in Poland], where they made themselves perfect in all the arts of Divination, Druidism, and Philosophy, and returned, after some generations, to Erinn, under the name *Tuatha De Danaan*. *Simeon Breac* with his clan wandered southward into Greece, and in many generations after returned to Erinn under the name of the *Firbolgs*...

We now come to the Milesian colony. According to our ancient tradition, these people, who were also Japhetians [the supposed earliest settlers of Ireland], passed in their migrations back from Scythia into Greece, out of which they had previously come; then into Egypt, then into Spain; and so, from Spain into Erinn, which they reached about two hundred years after the conquest of the *Tuatha De Danaan*, that is, in the year of the world 3,500 or above, 1,500 years before Christ, according to the chronology of the Annals of the Four Masters [known, too, as the Book of the Four Seasons, our Druidic ‘teachers’...].

In the entire course of migrations of this people, the Druids hold a conspicuous place. Among the most remarkable was *Caicher*, who is said to have foretold to them, on their way to Spain, that Erinn was their ultimate destination.’
Eugene O'Curry, from *Manners and Customs of the Ancient Irish*, (Dublin, 1873). Mr. O'Curry notes, too, that ‘the European Druidical system was but the offspring of Eastern augury,’ a matter that, given the nature of Eygpt being the farthest ‘known reaches’ that had been discovered at that time of the ancient Indo-European cultural ‘birthplace’ of Vedic India, is most presciently remarkable.

With said type of cultural analysis in mind, one has to be careful of making overly broad statements about ‘African,’ as that continent's history and peoples tend to be vastly different from one another, in the same way as ‘white’ is ludicrously imprecise.

Perhaps one of the best examples of how different is the historical figure of Hannibal of Carthage. Despite the ‘cultural revisionism’ en vogue *these days*, Hannibal's ‘actual facts’ are that he was partly noble aristocratic Roman and partly noble Semitic Phoenician (of Palestine/Israel/Judea of David and Solomon). What makes his tale singular in the eyes of History is his use of ‘many cultured’ warrior forces assembled, say, as a Fenian or Arthurian ‘private police force’ of ‘all for one, one for all.’

One can now see ‘the secret of Hannibal’ in terms of his success not as a pirate or ‘buccaneer of olde,’ as these wannabe ‘Robin Hoods’ mish-take him, but a man ‘thrown back upon himself and his wits-in-exile’ learning, ala, say, a Michael Collins, and the ‘art of survival.’ Hannibal was so good at blending in to his environment, like a ‘stealth ninja,’ say, or ‘ronin:masterless samurai’ looking *just like everybody else* in Roman and Greek ports and towns that he always eluded capture just when the rent-a-cops of Rome thought "we got 'em this time!"

Though ‘revisionist’ histories, stumbling over their collective selves in the rush to be ‘politically correct,’ note that the Roman historian's descriptions and attempts at state- propaganda calumination-by-association of Hannibal as ‘not a typical African’ in his refusal to degrade female captives as ‘war booty’ is an ‘early example of racism,’ the more *realistic* view can be seen, say, in the writings of another noble aristocratic Roman-in- exile, St. Augustine of Hippo, who chose to return to the Mediterranean shores of North Africa rather than remain in the somewhat ‘stuffy' atmosphere of Roman privilege, writing such masterpieces as ‘The City of God Against the Barbarians at the Gates,’ as the warring tribes from the inside of Africa, who remained xenophobic about contact with the Vedic Indians, Semitic traders, Greeks and Romans, etc.,who arrived from time to time, struck the missionary Augustine as ‘hopelessly ignorant’ with the rituals he observed, albeit as an outsider, of ‘rubbing one's face in the dirt’ to ‘absolve’ the pharmakos-stain of the tribal member ‘human sacrificed’ just prior, the precursor to the Santeria religion popular now in America and Haiti. In other words, the Greek-founded colonies of Carthage [a later ‘rudra’ posting explains the tale of Dido as being a Greek princess-in- exile, whose brothers maurdered the uncouth husband that had been arranged for her, leading to the hasty exit as ‘far away as possible’] and Alexandria became ‘cultural crossroads’ for a number of people(s) wishing to escape the stifling nature of ‘one's own,’ and as in the postulation of the Irish Alexandria, (‘Roman Fort’), a place of ‘civilization’ in the true meaning of respecting another's ‘right to be let alone’ as one exchanged gifts and learning to envision ‘self as other.’

With regards to the Semitic traders, as the histories note, they were never interested in ‘colonizing,’ as said matter would tie up valuable resources in creating forts, military defences, people to command the outpost and outlying area, etc. By trading and not engaging in the ‘usury’ tossed at these wise ancient peoples they became a welcome presence everywhere they went, which, according to the ‘America B.C.’ theories (not being an archeologist I do not know about the validity of the alleged ‘evidence’), included the eastern coasts of America, and, given the trading routes the Celts established along the coasts of Spain, Brittainy and the western shores of Ireland, and, too, the pattern of ‘non- exploitation’ of the local inhabitants of an area gives plausibility to that book's claim that ‘Algonquin’ language and ancient Gaelic are remarkably close, with Indo-Vedic roots in Sanscrit as well. One might *confere* this ‘non-interference’ policy, remarkably like, say, that noble Greek Alexander the Invincible, with how the Puritans played ‘disease-warfare’ with tuberculosis and smallpox-riddled blankets as ‘trinkets’ to be schmirkingly ‘offered’ to the ‘non-scientific’ natives, and how the Spanish privateer mercenaries ‘in service to the Queen’ razed and destroyed like the Conquistadors did in Latin and South America...

In the interests of ‘political correctness,’ nonetheless a bit baffled, I've avoided the following observation about the ‘wildly successful’ committee-speak book ‘It Takes a Village,’ as the alleged ‘author,’ ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton,’ half-truth identifies the origin of that phrase as ‘African.’ Once again, without wishing to *deny* the common underlying ‘world mythos,’ as Joseph Campbell, say, has identified in such astoundingly researched tomes as ‘The Masks of God: Primitive Mythology,’ I'm a bit surprised that the so-called ‘Native American experts’ on the list have failed to see that mine own Lakota elders find that phrase a most reverent part of our tribe's history. Growing up[, as I did,] in upstate New York and seeing the communal nature of the ‘Longhouses’ of the Six Nations of Hiawatha, Algonquins, one finds that phrase and notes, too, other remarkable coincidences of architecture, hunting, scouting, military tactics, etc., with yet another ‘clan raising a child’ responsible culture, our Celts...

[onam cara, rudra/joey frank/tom]

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