(Everything of that is said by the interviewer Ole K. is in italic)

" I certify that the following text is the absolute truth and no a œuvre of fiction. It is about a part of the transcription of an interview that I achieved, in December 1999, with a female reptilian no-human being, that was already in contact since some months with one of my friends (mentioned below according to the initial E.FS.).

(Summary: The interviewer affirms that before he considered himself/itself like a skeptical with regard to ovnises and extraterrestrials, but that the interview achieved in Sweden, during three hours, in a house aside, convinced him. The interview only includes a part of that that has been said, the Reptilian wanting that some important information are not given back public. The interviewer possesses the totality of the transcription (46 pages) and of drawings made by him, representative the Reptilian and his/her/its equipment, as well as the totality of the registration on cassettes, but he won't communicate them without the authorization of the Reptilian).

" I sent the present summary to four of my friends in Finland, Norway, Germany and France, so that they translate it in their respective language and distribute it. If you receive this text, send it to an as big number of people that possible ". (…)

" I certify to also have observed during these three maintenance hours the telepathic and paranormal faculties of the reptilian - to make dance a pencil on the table without the touch, to maintain an apple in air to 40cm of his/her/its hand - and I am absolutely sure that there was not a thing. He/it is certainly difficult certain people's who didn't have the experience to understand it of it, but I was really in contact with his/her/its mind and I am certain that everything that she/it said in this interview is the truth ".

(…) " A new interview is foreseen (in Sweden, to the same place) for April 23, 2000….

Ole K.

(Q = Question - R = Answer).

Q - first, who are you and that you are? Are you an extraterrestrial race or an original being of this planet?

R - As you see it of your own eyes, I am not a human being as you and I are not even indeed a mammalian (in spite because my bodily appearance presents features that belong to mammals, and that result an evolution). I am a female reptilian being. I belong to a very old reptilian race, native of the Earth. We lived on this planet since the millions of years. We are mentioned in your religious writings, as the Christian Bible for example, and numerous old tribes knew our existence and adored us as of gods, for example Egyptians and Incas.

Your Christian religion underestimated our role in the creation, and describes our race like " a malevolent " snake. It is false. It is an extraterrestrial race that conceived your species by genetic engineering, and we were only some more passive visitors in this process of evolution accelerated. You must know (as certain your scientists guessed him) that your species evolved to a speed that would be normally completely impossible of it spaces it of 2 to 3 millions of years. A normal evolution is a slower process, but you didn't understand him. The creation of your race has been made artificially, by genetic engineering, not by us, but by an extraterrestrial race.

You ask me if I am extraterrestrial: I answer no. We were born rural. We had and we always have colonies in the solar system, but our origin is this planet. It is our planet and no yours - she/it was never yours.

Q - are Able to tell me to you your name?

R - It is very difficult because your human language is incapable to pronounce it correctly, and a bad pronunciation of our name is for us an offense. Our language is very different of yours, nevertheless I am going to try to say it while easing him by the use of some of your letters (it gives something as " Ssshiaasshakha-sskkhhhshhh ", with a very strong pronunciation of sounds " shes " and " k "). We don't have a forename as you, but an unique name that is in several parts and that is characterized by the manner to say it. He/it is not given to children (that have a special child name). He/it is conferred at the time of adolescence during a special ceremony, just as is vécue a " illumination " (as you would say) or taken of religious or scientific conscience. I would appreciate that you didn't try to pronounce my true name with your human language. I ask you to be called " Lacerta ", it is the name that I generally use when I am among Humans and that I speak with them.

Q - How old are you?

R - We don't measure the time as you, in years astronomical correspondents to revolutions of the Earth around the Sun, because live you generally under the surface of the planet. Our measure of the time is based on the periodic return of certain cycles of the terrestrial magnetic field. According to this measure (and expressed with your numbers), my present age is of - let me to calculate - 57.653 cycles. I reached my adult phase and my hold of conscience there are 16.337 cycles (it is a very important date for us). According to your human time, I would be 28 years old pretty much.

Q - What is your task? Do you have a " work ", as us?

R - While using your words, I would say that I am a curious student of the social behavior of your species. It is for it that I am here and that I speak to you, and it is why I revealed my real nature to E.F. and that I now reveal it to you. It is for it that I give you these secret information and that I will try to answer honestly to all questions that you wrote on all these sheets of paper, there. I will see you how react, and how react other beings of your species.

There is so many madmen and liars of your species on this planet, that affirms to detain the truth on ovnises and extraterrestrials, etc. Some among believe you to these lies. It interests me to observe your species how is going to react if the truth (that I will now tell you) is given back public. I am certain that each among goes you to refuse to believe to my word. I hope not to be wrong, because you need to understand if you want to survive in years that comes.

Q - I read your complete testimony (that you gave to E.F.) on all it, but can answer to you briefly now me. Are ovnises true flying objects piloted by extraterrestrials, or belong them to your species?

R - Some ovnis (as you call them) that have been observed belong us, but not all. Most the mysterious " flying " objects are not some technological devices but merely a bad interpretation of natural phenomena that your scientists didn't understand (as of the spontaneous plasma blazes in high atmosphere). Nevertheless, some ovnises are true devices belonging to your own species very well (especially to your soldieries) either to other extraterrestrial races, and in short to us (but a minority among the observed ovnises belongs us because we are very cautious in our movements in the atmosphere, and we use some means to hide our vessels).

If you read a report concerning the observation of a cylindrical object in shape of cigar, of a gray metallic brightness, of a length going from 20 to 260 meters (there is some of different types) and producing a noise that looks like a deep buzz; if there are five red lights on the metallic surface of this cigar (one in top, an another one to the middle, two to the extremity), then there are big odds that it was about one of our vessels. But it means that this vessel is partially in breakdown or that one among didn't take us enough precautions.

We also have a small fleet of flying disks, but ovnises of this type generally belong to an extraterrestrial race. Ovnises of triangular shape generally belong to your own soldieries, but they constructed them while using an extraterrestrial technology. If you wanted to see one of our vessels, it would be necessary that you were going to look at the sky of the Arctic, the Antarctica and the interior Asia (especially above of mountains of this zone).

Q - Have you a special symbol or something of this kind permitting to identify your race?

R - We have two major symbols to represent our race. A (oldest) is a blue snake with four white wings on black field (these colors have a religious significance for us). This symbol was used by certain parts of my society, but now it became extremely rare. You-other humans too often copied him in your old writings.

The other symbol represents a mystical being that you would call a " dragon ", represented under the shape of a circle containing seven white stars. This symbol is nowadays more current. If you see one of these symbols on a cylindrical device as the one that I described you, or on an underground installation, it means that this device or this place belong us definitely. (And I counsel you of you move away some as quickly as possible).

Q - is it that the seven stars that you mention in your second symbol represent Pleiads?

R - Pleiads? No. It is planets and moons, it is the symbol of our seven old colonies in the solar system. Stars appear on a blue field, and the dragon in circle symbolizes the shape of the Earth. The seven white stars were the Moon, March, Venus and the four moons of Jupiter and Saturn that we had colonized once. Two of these colonies are now abandoned, we don't use them anymore. He/it would be therefore more correct to use five stars.

Q - You didn't permit me to make photos, that would be me yet useful to bring the proof of your real existence and the veracity of this history. Can you describe yourselves yourself in details?

R - I know that photos would be useful in this sense. But of another side, you-other humans are some confirmed skeptics (what is very well for us as well as for the true extraterrestrials who act secretly on this planet). Therefore, even though you possessed these photos, many beings of your species would say that it is forgeries, that I am either like that a masked human woman something (what would be for me an offense).

You must understand that I cannot give you the permission to make these photos of me or of my equipment, for several reasons, that I won't discuss further with you. One of these reasons is that the secret of our existence must be preserved. The other is more religious. Nevertheless, I permit you to make sketches of my appearance and my equipment that I will show you later. I am going to also try to describe me, but I doubt that other beings of your species can be capable to imagine my real appearance from some words. Indeed, the automatic negation of the reptilian species existence and, in general, of all other intelligent species outside of yours, made part of the programming of your mind. Nevertheless, I am going to try.

Imagine the body of a normal human woman, and you are able enough well to represent you my body. As you, I have a head, two arms, two hands, two legs and two feet, and proportions of my body are identical to yours. As I am female, I have two breasts - in spite of our reptilian origin, we began to nurse our babies during our evolutionary process, there are thirty millions of years thereabouts, because it is the best thing that either to keep in life youngsters. The evolution had already made him for your species during the time of dinosaurs, and made him later a little for us. It doesn't mean that we are of real mammalian. But our breasts are as big as those of the human woman, and of an identical size for all females of my species. Organs of reproduction are the same that those of humans, in the two sexes, but a few smaller. They are visible and have the same function that yours (another gift of the evolution).

My skin is mainly a green-beige color - rather green pale - and we have of stain drawings facts irregular brunettes (every stain measuring 1 to 2 centimeters) on the body and the face (drawings are different according to the sex, but females have some more, especially on the bottom of the body and on the face). In my case, you can observe the two lines of points above of eyebrows, crossing my forehead, on cheeks and to the chin.

My eyes are a little bigger than the human eyes (for this reason, we see better in the black). What dominates, it is the large black pupil, surrounded of a small iris of a green brightness (males have a dark green iris). The pupil is in crack and can change size, active of a minuscule black line until a large oval in shape of œuf. Our retina is extremely appreciable to light and therefore the pupil must there to adapt.

(Summary of the following of the description: external, smaller round ears, but better audition. Sensitivity to a larger sound ladder. Muscle permitting to close ears, under water by ex, completely. More pointed nose, shape of V between nostrils permitting to feel " temperatures, a capacity that is a little with time himself blunt. Lips of the same shape that at humans, bigger at females, of brunette color. Teeth very half notes, strong, more long and more pointed. Only one color of hairs - brown greenish - but tradition of dye according to age. Hairs more thick and stronger. Not of other pilosité on the green-beige color body, with structures in scale on thighs and the top of arms. Five fingers a few longer and ends that at humans. Smooth palms without our " lines ", but a combination in shape of scales with the brunette stains at the two sexes. Not of prints to fingers. Softer skin. Small pointed horns on the over of the two médiuses. Gray and longer nails at males -5 to 6 centimeters - to round tip at women, pointed at males. Difference in relation to the human species: a way of crest the long of the dorsal thorn until the level of hips, with a complicated shape, including plates, made of skin and cloths. Very appreciable structure to the touch and very innervée and vascularisée that have a role in the sexuality and the regulation of the temperature. Difficult to sit down on a chair with it. In the sun, plates fill themselves of reptilian blood that warms himself of several degrees, of where big pleasure. Not of navel. Different birth compared to mammals. Other minor differences no visible because hidden by clothes).

Q - What way of clothes do you carry generally? I suppose that it is not your normal manner to clothe you.

R - (Summary: human clothes carried among humans but uncomfortable because too tight, can make pain to plates of the crest. Naked home as well as in our zones of artificial ensoleillement in company of near people " of his/her/its name ". Otherwise, large light clothes because parts of the very appreciable body. Same shape of clothes for the two sexes but different colors).

Q - You mention the near people " of your name ". Does it mean your family?

R - (Summary: This word doesn't mean to say for us otherwise the adherence genetics parent-children. Every being's name is unique and defines it, his/her/its central part has a pronunciation that indicates to what group - and not " family " - one belongs but it necessarily is not about genetic adherence. It is a vast group, 40 to 50 people. Our social system is complicated to describe greatly too much, that would take of hours).

Q - Possess you a tail as the normal reptiles?

R - (Summary: no. A bone approximate to the bottom of the backbone is a vestige of it. A tail doesn't have a sense that for a primitive species that learns to stand up on two legs and must counterbalance himself with a tail. Changes in the skeleton during the evolution, now he/it is similar the one of humans).

Q - You say that you are born of a different manner. Do you lay œufses?

R - (Summary: yes but not as birds or reptilian primitive. Growth of the embryo in the maternal center, in a liquid protéique surrounded of a chalky membrane in shape of œuf but very fine. The œuf fills the matrix completely and the child separated completely of the mother's body. There is also a " hardback umbilical cord " to a hidden point in plates of the back. To the birth, the œuf leaves through the vagina and the baby uses the two horns of his/her/its médiuses instinctively to break the shell and to take his/her/its first breathing. Smaller babies that humans -30 to 35cm -, œuf of 40cm but growth until 1m60 to 1m80).

Q - about the temperature of your body, you say that you like to be in the sun. What is the effect of it?

R - (Summary: We are reptiles, the temperature of our body depends on the environment. My hand is colder than yours. Normal temperature: 30 to 33C°. Naked and plates of back tours toward the sun, the temperature can bring up 8 to 9 degrees in some minutes, this rise produces hormones, every organ is more active. It is the biggest pleasure that one can imagine, near of the sexual excitation. As bathing in water very hot or other liquids. To the shade, the temperature comes down again in some hours, without a pity particular. One has some solar pieces in basement, but this is not as well as the true sun).

Q - That you do eat?

R - (Summary: as humans no vegetarians. Digestion of substances that would be poisons for humans. Not possible to happen of meat stop of the digestion, then the death. Some either eat raw meat of things that would disgust humans. I prefer the cooked meat and fruits of surface).

Q - are Able to tell me to you something about the natural history and the evolution of your species? Is she/it very old? Did you evolve from the primitive reptiles as the humanity evolved from monkeys?

R - It is a complex history that is going to seem you incredible, but it is the truth. I am going to try to summarize. There are 65 millions of years, many among our advanced forebears of the dinosaur race died in a big global cataclysm. The reason of this destruction was not natural, not at all an impact of asteroid as believe it your scientists, but a war between two groups hostile extraterrestrials. This war took place in orbit and in the high atmosphere of your planet.

According to our knowledge limited of the first days, it was the first extraterrestrial war on the planet Earth, but this was not the last. (And a future war is to fear for soon, whereas a " cold " war is in progress since 73 years on your planet).

Belligerents, in this war of him has 65 millions of years there, were two advanced extraterrestrial races, whose names are unpronounceable in your language. I can say them but their original pronunciation would knock your ears. The first race was humanoid as your race, but more old, and original of your universe, of a solar system of the constellation that you call Procyon. The second race, of which we know few things, was a reptilian species that didn't have anything to see with ours, because we evolved from saurian local without outside influence (if one excepts the successful genetic manipulation that we did ourselves on our own genes).

The advanced reptilian race didn't come from this universe, but… I will explain it later. Your scientists don't understand the true nature of the universe. Your mental illogical is not capable to discern the simplest things and lean on math and of the erroneous arithmetics. It makes part of the genetic programming of your race, of which I will speak later. You are always as far the understanding of the universe that you were him five hundred years ago.

To use a term that you can understand, I will say that the other species came not of this universe, but of another " bubble " in the froth of " the omnivers ". You could call him another dimension, but this is not the word that suits an exact description. (Besides, your utilization of the term " dimension " denotes an erroneous understanding of that that it is).

You must record that the advanced species are capable to pass a " bubble " to the other, while using what you call the technology of quantas. They sometimes make also it while using their mental. (My own species has the advanced mental capacities compared to yours, but we are not capable to change bulle/trame-matter (matterstring/bubble) without technology, whereas other species that are active on this planet make it, what seems to you of the magic, as to your forebears).

Let's come back to our history. The first race (humanoid) had reached the Earth about 150 years before the reptilian race, and had constructed his/her/its colonies on continents of the time. He/it existed a large colony on the continent that you call today " Antarctica ", and an another one on the one that you call today " Asia ". These peoples lived with the saurian to the animal appearance, without problems.

When the advanced reptilian race arrived in this system, the original humanoid colonists of Procyon tempted to communicate peacefully, without success, and a general war was declared in some months. The two species interested themselves to this young planet, no for his/her/its biology nor for his/her/its under-developed species, but for only one reason: ores, and especially the copper.

The copper is a very important material for the advanced species (even today) because, with other unsteady materials, it permits to produce new steady materials, by the induction of an elevated electromagnetic field in the good angle with a nuclear radiation field in order to produce a passage between two fields fluctuantses. The fusion of the copper with other elements in such a magnetic field room and field of radiation can produce a field by force of a special nature, very useful for different technological tasks. (The basis of this is a very complex formula that you are not capable to discover because of the restriction of your mental simplistic).

The two races wanted the copper of the Earth. For this reason, they led a very long war in the space and in orbit. The humanoid species seemed to have the over in the beginning, but in the last battle the reptilian decided to use a very powerful tentative weapon, a way of bomb to fusion that had to destroy shapes of life on the planet, but without reaching the ores of value nor the copper. The bomb was pulled from the space, and exploded in a point of our planet that we now " call Central America ".

As she/it exploded in the ocean, he/it occurred an unforeseeable fusion with hydrogen, and his/her/its effect was stronger than that than the reptilian waited some. Him in result a deadly radiation, a fissile oxygen overproduction, of fallouts of various elements and a " nuclear " winter of nearly two hundred years. Most humanoids were killed and the reptilian didn't interest himself anymore to this planet at the end of some years for the unknown reasons (even for us). Maybe because of radiation.

The planet Earth was all over again alone, and animals of surface died. One of effects of the bomb to fusion was the spring of various elements and materials created by the process, among which the iridium. Your scientists now consider the iridium like a proof of the shock of the asteroid that would have killed dinosaurs. It is false. But how would know it you?

Most dinosaurs died (no of the explosion, but of consequences that followed after the war, especially the nuclear winter and fallouts). In the twenty years that followed, nearly all dinosaurs and the reptilian had died. But some among them arrived to survive two hundred three hundred years again, died then because the climate had changed.

At the end the nuclear winter, at the end of two hundred years, he/it was colder on Earth that before. Some species could have survived in spite of the cataclysm: pitch (sharks for example), birds, small rampant animals (your forebears), different reptilian and crocodiles… and a way of small advanced dinosaurs that was developed himself with the big animal reptiles as the one that you call Tyrannosaurus. This reptile worked on two paws and looked a little like your reconstruction of the iguanodon (it was the same family) but it was smaller (1m50 about), with the humanoid features, a changed bony structure, the brain and the bigger skull, a hand possessing an inch capable to seize things, an organism and a different digestion, of eyes developed to the middle of the head, as yours, and, more important, a structure of the brain news and improven. It was our direct ancestor.

Theories affirm that the radiations of the bomb generated mutations of organisms of this new race, but this is not proven. This small humanoid-dinosaur evolved during the thirty millions of years that followed to pass the animal state to the one of a more thinking being. (As I already told it, it is generally necessary a lot more of time that you don't believe for the evolution of a race, if this evolution is not provoked artificially as in your case).

These beings were intelligent enough not to die during the millions of years next one, because they learned to change their behavior. They lived in underground cave instead of to remain in the cold weather of the full air, and they learned to use stones and branches like first tools. The utilization of fire helped them to warm itself/themselves - especially, to warm their blood, what is very important for the survival.

In the twenty millions of years that followed, the nature divided this species in twenty-seven subspecies (…) and there were wars of domination between these species. Twenty-four of these species died out in the primitive wars and during the evolution because their organism and their mental were not enough evolved to survive and (main reason) they were not capable to transform their system of blood temperature in climatic change case.

Fifty millions after the war and the end of dinosaurs, he/it only remained three advanced reptilian races (and also technological) on this planet, in addition of the other animals. By natural and artificial crossings, these three races were unified in only one reptilian race. And thanks to the genetic manipulation invention, we became capable to eliminate genes susceptible of division in our genetic structure.

According to our history and our beliefs, it is to this moment that our definitive race - as you see me today - was finished by genetic engineering. It was there are ten millions of years. Our evolution stopped practically to this point (put to party some minor changes in direction of an appearance more humanoid and mammalian, but without division in subspecies). We are therefore a very old race compared to yours that, to this time, was some again to climb to trees as of monkeys, whereas we invented technologies, colonized other planets of this system, constructed big cities on this planet (that disappeared without letting trace) and manipulated our own genes whereas your genes were again those of an animal.

There are ten millions of years, the small simiesqueses began to grow and to come down from trees (again because of a change of climate, especially in the continent named " Africa "). But their evolution was very nit, what is normal for mammals. So nothing of extraordinary had not occurred for your species, we would not be there seated discussing. I would be in my comfortable modern house and you, in your cave, clothed of beast skins and trying to discover secrets of fire - or you would be maybe in one of our zoos. But things turned differently and you you now take for kings of the creation, you think that it is your turn to live in a modern house while we should hide ourselves under ground and in the retired places.

There are 1,5 millions of years thereabouts, another extraterrestrial race arrived on Earth (the first since sixty millions of years, what is surprising. It would surprise you a lot if you knew how much there are extraterrestrial races that live on your planet today). To our big astonishment, this extraterrestrial race didn't interest itself to ores nor the copper, but to you, the under-developed humanoid monkeys.

In spite of our presence on this Earth, extraterrestrials decided " to help " monkeys to evolve more quickly a little, in order to make some in the future race-slave's way for wars to come. The fate of your species didn't interest us indeed, but we didn't like the presence of these " Ilojiims " on our planet. They didn't like no more our presence in their " galactic " zoo. It is why your sixth and seventh creations were the opportunity of a war between them and us. You can read some, for example, in the book that you call " The Bible ", a very strange description. The truth is a very long and difficult history. Do we must to continue?

Q - No, not now. I took notes on your history and now I have questions to put.

R - Ask.

Q - first, you master a very vast ladder of time. You affirm that your primitive forebears lived to the middle of dinosaurs and survived to an artificial cataclysm, evolved then during forty millions of years, and that your evolution is finished since ten millions of years. It appears me incredible. What do you have to say other?

R - I understand that it can appear you incredible, because you are a young species and developed by the artificial genetics. Your own horizon is only some thousand of years and you think that it is just. But that the East not. It is impossible. Your mental programmed is not capable to handle some as vast time ladders. Our length of evolution seems to you unbelievably long, but in fact, it is the original norm of the nature.

Your species as is formed himself to the time of dinosaurs, survived to the bomb then evolved during thousand of years while dividing in different subspecies - it is the evolution of the body. But the mental and intelligence? It was only simple animals. Mammals evolve since 150 millions of years but they didn't become intelligent that to the course of the last two or three millions of years. And it is in this last short period that you have been created. Of a natural manner? This is not possible for a such accelerated evolution. You are more ignorant than I would have believed him.

Q - I understand. But I have another question. You mention many facts concerning this war there are 65 millions of years. It occurred a long time before your species becomes intelligent, if I understand you well. How can you know as many things of this " first war " and on your own evolution?

R - Our knowledge concerning the first war comes from an old object that was found by our archaeologists, there are sixteen thousand years, on the continent that you call today north America. They found a way of circular plate of an approximate diameter of 47 of your centimeters, made of an unknown magnetic material. Inside, a smaller crystal was set, containing an enormous sum of coded information in his/her/its molecular structure. This " plate mémorielle " had been manufactured by survivors of the descended humanoid race of Procyon who had survived the bomb, there are sixty-five millions of year, and was completely intact.

Our scientists were capable to decode messages and this is how we heard to speak for the first time of a hardback distant past to the disappearance of dinosaurs. The plate contained the detailed descriptions of the two species (but a lot more on humanoids), as well as of weapons and events, including the bomb to fusion. She/it also contained a description of animals and the saurian of the Earth, including our meadow-intelligent species. The remainder of our knowledge on our evolution comes from the survey of skeletons and readings and decodings of our DNA. You see, we know the truth on our roots since sixteen thousand years. Before it, our ideas on the question of our origin were rather some religious beliefs.

Q - That himself is does he/it pass for the two extraterrestrial races?

R - We don't know precisely. The surviving humanoids on Earth died in years that followed the bomb, and the reptilian never came back on Earth (to our knowledge). He/it is possible that these last could not have come back physically, because matter between bubbles " sometimes has rapids movements. The present theory is that the two species stopped existing during the millions of years.

Q - You mentioned skeletons of your species. How is he/it possible that our human scientists didn't find trace of you and of your forebears if you live since all this time on our planet? We found a lot of primitive dinosaur skeletons, but none of a reptilian advanced with a skull and a bigger brain, and a hand with an inch as you described.

R - But if, you found them. Only, your " big " scientists were not capable to rebuild skeletons completely, because you wanted to rebuild some reptilian animals, not of the intelligent beings. You would laugh if you could know small skeletons of saurian, in your museums, how much are in fact of false constructions of beings not having existed never, because you included of it of bones that didn't belong them and sometimes you manufactured some artificial bones to complete the saurian " animal " that you needed to rebuild.

A lot of your scientists are conscious of this problem. But they don't speak some in public because they cannot explain him, then they affirm that bones were only missing and that their reconstruction is just. A lot of bones of our species have been used to rebuild the Iguanodon, for example for the hand with the visible inch (are going to see a Iguanodon in a museum and you will see that I am right).

A scientific of the country that you call the United States nearly rebuilt perfectly a few years ago a skeleton of our species, but the local government (that knows our existence partially) confiscated this reconstruction. As we live under ground now since thousand of years, you cannot find none of our cadavers or skeletons anymore.

Q - You sometimes speak of underground cities and artificial suns. Do you suggest something as the hypothesis of the " hollow " earth? Is there a second sun inside the Earth?

R - No, the Earth is not indeed completely hollow and there is not a second sun inside. This history is ridiculous and physically impossible (even your species should be enough intelligence not to believe it). Do you know the sun must have what mass in order to give out enough energy and of light by fusion during one very long time? Do you think indeed that he/it can have a small active sun there inside the Earth?

When I speak of our underground homeland, I speak of vast cave systems. Underground cave that you discovered close to the surface are minuscule in comparison of the true underground cave and the enormous caves that exists in depth (brings in two one thousand and eight thousand meters of depth, but hardback to the surface or the near underground cave of the surface by many tunnels). We live in big cities and colonies to the advanced technology, inside these caves. The main sites are situated under the Arctic, the Antarctica, the interior Asia, America of the North and Australia.

When I mention an artificial sun, it is not about a true sun but of different sources of technological origin light (including gravitational) that illuminate caves and tunnels. He/it exists in every special zone city including of strong issuing of UV light, that we use to warm our blood. Besides, we possess some sunny places to the surface, in zones very aside, in America and in Australia.

Q - Where can be of entrances toward your near world of the surface?

R - can you believe indeed that I would give you their exact situation? If you wanted to find them, it would be necessary to look for by yourself, what I don't counsel you. When I came to the surface there are four days, I used an entrance that is to 300 of your kilometers more roughly to the North, close to a big lake, but I doubt that you are capable to find it (there is very few entrances in this part of the world, the most is situated to the North and the East a lot more).

A small advice: if you are in a narrow underground cave or a tunnel or same something that looks like an artificial mine shaft, and if, more you advance in depth, more walls become smooth; and if you feel puffs of unaccustomed hot air from depths, or if you hear the his/her/its screaming of a hold of air of fan or elevator shaft; then, look for a way of smooth and very special artificial wall somewhere in the underground cave, with a door in gray metal.

If you were capable to open this door, that of which I doubt, you would be in a local circular technique with systems of ventilation and elevators that descend in depths. It would be probably an entrance toward our world. If ever you reach this point, you must know that we already detected your presence. You are already put in serious boredoms if you entered in the circular room, but look for on walls one of the two reptilian symbols that I described you. If there is not any symbol or if you find some of others, you run maybe again a bigger danger, because all underground facilities don't belong to our race. Some new tunnels are managed by the extraterrestrial races (of which some is hostile). My general advice, if you are in a strange underground installation for you, it is to run away you to all legs.

Q - You mentioned previously that you use the name of " Lacerta " when you are among humans, and that you like to be to the surface of the Earth right in the sun. But how you can be among humans? You don't resemble us, so that could see that you are another species. Why does no one have not already seen and describes a to be your race if you live with us on the same planet since our " creation "?

R - first, my species has already been seen and has been described (and adored) of numerous times in your primitive past, for example in your religious writings as the Bible. You find descriptions and even of drawings of us in different temples of the part South of the American continent. Men called " wise men " of India and the Asian mountains often described our species in their writings, as well as of other men " wise " of the African continent.

We are more the no-human species the mentioned in your history (the famous " Illojiims " excepted maybe). (…) Your " big " scientists call these beliefs of superstitions " and the " religion ", but today humans supposedly " intelligent " forgot our presence to the surface in the past. Besides, our species has sometimes been observed in his/her/its original shape by humans to the surface or in entrances and the near tunnels of the surface; but fortunately, your medias didn't take narrations of these " madmen " seriously (it is very well for us, and it is why we let sometimes see as we are actually).

Some among are us in direct relation with the human scientists and politicians of the surface. But it is top-secret, as you say, and the public doesn't know anything of it (the topic of these meetings is the most often the next war with and between of the extraterrestrial species and our help in this war). But there is also another explanation to the fact that we can walk among you without that you can see yourselves of it: the mimétisme. It can appear you incredible and even shocking, but I explain since you put the question. I already told you that we have some more advanced " mental capacities that those of your species. I mean that we can use the telepathy and the télékinésie since our birth, without no training. (In fact, the mother and his/her/its newborn communicate telepathically during the first months). For you, you would need a special practice because you need to drag the sleepy parts of your brain.

The structure of our brain is a little different of yours. Our hypophysis is more big and more active that yours, especially when we are in the sun. Our own capacities are very strong in comparison with yours, but weak in relation to the mental capacities of bulle/trame-matter " possessed by certain extraterrestrial species that are present on this planet. I was never very strong in these mental histories, but we have all these primary capacities and us can use them for example for our protection or same to attack.

When our meet humans to the surface (one alone or a numerous group, there is not any difference, all your minds are like one alone mental), we are capable " to touch " their mental and to mislead in them by the telepathy orders it: " See us as someone of your race ". And the weakness of the mental human accepts this order without no refusal. In spite of our reptilian appearance, they see us then as of the normal humans. I very often made this. Weak humans, you see me then like a pretty woman to the brown hairs, because I created this " special mimetic " picture in my mind there are already of years and I can mislead him in your minds without problem. I needed a little times in the beginning to learn to use the mimétisme correctly, but since it functions nearly automatically and I can even walk to the middle of human's group and no one is going to perceive of what I follow.

It is about a simple " button " to manipulate (" See us as we are really / See us as we want that you saw " us) that has been placed in your conscience by the " Illojiims " when they created your species. We can use this button to convince you that you see humans when you look at us. (Other extraterrestrials also use this button). It is easier than you thought it. When there are meetings between humans and extraterrestrials who seem to have the same appearance that you, it is that these extraterrestrials used this button. And some meetings with extraterrestrials to the human appearance can be explained also by meetings with people of my race). When I met E.F. the first time, he/it also saw me as a normal human woman. And I remember how much I frightened him and shocked when I revealed him my normal appearance.

Q - do You mean that you would be able to make believe me that at the moment I speak with a pretty human woman to the black hairs, instead of a reptilian being?

R - Probably, but your case is special. When someone expects to see a human woman instead of me, I can make it without problem with his/her/its mind, but with a big group, because no one expects to see a reptilian woman. But I allowed your mental to see my original appearance since our first rally and I never have anything misleads in your mind, as you already know that I am not human. If I tried to now change it, it could drive you to the absolute confusion or the unconsciousness, and I don't want to wound you.

Q - It makes enough fear. Are you able to kill with this capacity?

R - Yes, but it is forbidden. It doesn't mean that it has not been made before.

Q - do The two sexes have them this capacity?

R - Yes.

Q - And photographs? How do you appear on photos?

R - It is a silly question. I appear on photos like a reptilian being, because I can influence neither film nor the camera directly, but only the mental of the photographer. If he/it develops the movie and show the photo to others, they will see me in my original shape. It is why he/it is prohibited us from making shoot to either photograph us and we must avoid cameras when we are to the surface. (It is very difficult, we were sometimes shot without the knowledge in the past, especially by some of your governments and secret services).

Q - What other command can you mislead in our mental? Something as " serve us " or " obey "?

R - there is a strange question again. We are not your enemies (for most between us). Then why would make ourselves it? To answer to your question: it depends on the strength of the human mind and the strength of the inductive reptilian. There is not a button " serve us " or " serve me " in your mind, then such a command is more difficult to mislead. If the mental and the human's conscience are weak, and if the inductive reptilian is experimented in these things, and that he/it was in the sun during several hours before trying to make it, then it could work maybe a certain time. There are some secret teachings to this topic, but I didn't follow any of it. I use my primary capacities for the mimétisme and for the communication with my own species, and sometimes for of something else private, but I never used him to hurt humans or their mental. I would appreciate if you wanted to abandon this topic well.

Q - A last question: You said previously that you can hide your ovnises. Do you use the same capacities for it?

R - Yes, but of a point of view technique. In every vessel is a powerful device that permits to send an artificial signal to your minds to convince you that you only see the sky or that you see a normal flying device as a plane, instead of our vessel. It is not often used, because we avoid the human public when we move in the atmosphere. If you can see one of our ovnises, it is that the device is in breakdown either disactivated for an any reason. This effect of camouflage doesn't work on photos, to answer to this possible question. But why someone would photograph him the sky when he/it doesn't see anything of unaccustomed there?

To the fact, most our points of surface entrance toward our tunnels are protected at the sight of this manner. Your species is going to generally see an underground cave to the normal walls instead of a door. It is why I said that I doubt that you can find such a secret door toward our worlds. (But it occurred in the past).

Q - Return to your history and ours. You mentioned the race of the " Illojiims " that created our human race. From where did they come and what was their appearance? What occurred when they arrived? Are they our " God "?

R - The " Illojims " are original of this universe, of the solar system that you call " Aldebaran " in your maps of the sky. It is humanoids of large size, to hairs of an unaccustomed blond, to skin very half note (they avoided the light of the sun, because it wounded their skin and their eyes. What is absolutely incredible for a species as ours that adores the sun). They seemed in the beginning very intelligent and pacific, and we had started some friendly communications more or less with them. But later, they unveiled their real intentions and their plans: they wanted to make evolve monkeys toward a new race and we were a factor of inconvenience for them on their new global zoo.

They started with catching ten one thousand or twenty one thousand then of your forebears simienses, they left the planet for several hundred of years. When they came back, they brought back your forebears (then a few more human). Then they left the Earth again for some thousand of years and the primitive meadow-humans lived with us without major problem (they were only afraid of our vessels and our technology). The " Illojiims " had taught their mental and had increased their brain as well as their bodily structure. They were then capable to use tools and fire.

The " Illojiims " came back then several times during twenty-three thousand years, and accelerated the speed of evolution of some among you. You must understand that you are not the first human civilization on this planet. The first advanced humans having a technology and a language lived there are seven hundred thousand years thereabouts on this planet (at the same time as of the minus developed meadow-humans, because the " Illojiims " had experimented different speeds and stages of evolution). Your scientists didn't understand it, because they only found bones of meadow-humans and the primitive drawings in caves, showing the advanced humans and the flying objects). This genetically advanced human race lived with us, but while avoiding all contact with my species because their teachers " Illojiim " had deviated them while telling them that we were monsters and that we lied them.

At the end of some centuries, extraterrestrials decided to wipe out their first creation, and they accelerated the evolution of second one creation, thanks to a better set of tests etc. The truth, it is that your modern human civilization is not the first on this planet but already the seventh. Constructions of the first race are lost, but the fifth civilization was the one that constructed the vast triangular buildings that you call " pyramids of Egypt " there are seventy-five thousand years. (Your Egyptians only found these old pyramids in the sand and tried without big success to construct some of counterparts). The sixth civilization is the one that constructed cities in ruin that one finds today under the sea in that that one calls the zone of Bimini, there are sixteen thousand years.

The last creation of the seventh race - of your set - is made himself there are only eight thousand five hundred years. It is the alone of which you can remember, and to which your religious writings refer. You you base on the archaeological and paleontological objects that show you a very short past forgery, but how you could know something of the six previous creations? And if you find proofs of their existence, you deny them and you interpret facts of an erroneous manner, partially because of the programming of your mental, and partially by pure ignorance. I am going to give you information concerning your only present creation, because the six previous creations are lost, therefore they don't concern you.

There was a long war between the " Illojiims " and us, and also between certain groups of " Illojiim " the some against others, because a lot of between them thought that this unceasing recreation of a human race on this planet didn't have a sense. The last battles were led five thousand years ago, in orbit and in surface.

Extraterrestrials used some powerful sonic weapons to destroy our underground cities, but of another side we were capable to destroy a lot of their facilities of surface and their bases in the space. Humans of your set were frightened very when they observed our battles that they transcribed under shape of myths (their mental was not capable to understand what really happened). The " Illojiims " that appeared as gods to the sixth and seventh creations told them that it was about a war between the good and the pain and that there were the good races and bad others. It certainly depends on the point of view from where one stands. This planet was ours before their arrival and before they begin to develop their project of evolution of your race. In my point of view, he/it was just to fight them for our planet.

There are 4943 years of your time precisely, the " Illojiims " left the planet all over again for the unknown reasons. (For us, it is an important date, that our historians call " the victory "). Among us, numerous were those that took contact with some of your tribes (more to the South) during the following centuries, and can convince them that we are not the Pain ", that that extraterrestrials wanted to make believe them. During these last 4900 years, of numerous another one race extraterrestrials arrived on the planet. (some using the same old teachings and programmings of your mental, are made also pass itself/themselves for gods ") but the " Illojiims " themselves never came back. Previously, they had let the planet during a length of about a thousand of years, it is why we wait to their return for some day in the future, either to proceed to the completion of their project, either to also wipe out the seventh creation. But we don't know what arrived them precisely (to answer by advance to the question that you were going to put).

Your present civilization doesn't know anything of his/her/its real origin, his/her/its real past, his/her/its real world nor the real universe. You know some very little on us and our past. And you don't know nothing of that that can occur in the future. So much that you won't understand won't believe what I say, your species will be in danger. I tell you the truth because your enemy, this is not we. Your enemies are already there and you didn't understand anything. Open eyes or you are going to have boredoms soon. If you didn't understand anything to what I have just told you, then you should remember of this.

Q - Why think you that I don't believe you?

R - I have a certain sensation that you don't believe me in spite because I am sat here before you. Everything that I told you during these last two hours is the absolute truth on your world.

Q - How many extraterrestrial species are them active on Earth at the moment?

R - We know fourteen races of it. Eleven are this universe, two come from another " bubble " and the last, extremely advanced, comes of a different plan. Don't ask me names. Nearly all are unpronounceable even for us. Most these races - especially most advanced - study you only as of animals and are not very dangerous for you nor for us. We work with some among them. But three races are hostile, among which the one that took contact with some of your governments. She/it exchanged his/her/its technology against the copper and of something else important and she/it betrayed you.

A " cold " war happened - and is always in progress - brings in two of these hostile races during these last seventy-three years. He/it seems that the third race was " a winner " in this useless fight. We expect a hotter " war between them in the near future (I would say, in the ten to twenty years that come). It is an evolution that preoccupies us.

These last times, there were rumors about a fifteenth race that would have arrived on Earth three or four years ago. But we don't know anything of their intentions and we didn't have any contact again with her. Maybe this rumor is it distorts.

Q - That want the hostile extraterrestrials?

R - Different ores, among which the copper for their technology, as well as your water (or rather, hydrogen that she/it contains, that is a source of energy for the process of the advanced fusion) and some elements of your air.

Besides, two races especially interest themselves to your body, to your human cloths and your blood, because their own genetic structure is deficient because of a bad evolution and radiations (for what we know some). They need intact sequence from your species as well as other animals, to repair their genetic system again and again, but they are not capable to repair shortcomings of their DNA completely because yours is not completely compatible with theirs. (My own species is absolutely incompatible with theirs, as we don't interest them). They try to provoke crossings between themselves and you then while using the artificial insemination and of the artificial matrixes. We suppose that the war to come between the three races - or between you and one among them or the three - will make himself for the conquest of ores, hydrogen, air and the DNA.

Q - What is the reason of abductions "?

R - in part, it is when extraterrestrials appropriated samples of ovums and semen. Sometimes, captors belong to another more advanced race and they want to only study your body and your mind (that interests some a lot more that your material body). They make it as you would study a primitive animal.

As I told it to you, these extraterrestrial races are hostile. It means that they don't interest themselves to what could arrive you. People whom they removed " came back some very rarely living. If someone is capable to tell an abduction, it means, in my opinion, that he/it didn't meet one of the aggressive races or that he/it had a lot of luck to come back some living. The advanced races that are " friendly " also appropriated the semen and ovums, but for other reasons.

Q - You said that there are only fourteen extraterrestrial races in activity on the Earth. But why humans who saw extraterrestrials describe them of so of different manners?

R - I think to already have answered to this question. As well as I told it to you, the extraterrestrial races for the most have some more advanced mental capacities that yours or that mine, even (he/it only exists an extraterrestrial race that doesn't possess these capacities). They are capable to appear in your mind and in your memory under the aspect that they want, and this induced " picture " doesn't have anything to see with their real appearance. You remember some as of normal humans or as of gray or same dwarfs as of extremely bizarre animals because they want that you kept of them this type to remember, and sometimes same they want to make you all to forget a meeting that you had with them.

Another example. You remember that you were in one of your normal human hospitals, and that physicians examined you, and you don't think more about what was able well to arrive you (maybe, so much that you didn't achieve that there is not a hospital in the street where you thought that he/it was). But in fact, you have been examined by them in one of their laboratories. You cannot trust your mind in this case.

They appear under different shapes in the goal to create confusion and so that the supposedly " witnesses " of abduction capable to remember of events - or that believe themselves capable of himself in to remember - are turned in ridicule by the opinion. Until there, for what we know some, they succeeded. Believe me, there are only fourteen species of extraterrestrials on this planet, and only eight among them abduction of humans at the moment (for what we know some). Besides, your removed " supposedly " were not him always and some extraterrestrial their narrations are only the product of their imagination or their lies.

Q - How can we protect ourselves against this influence on our mind?

R - I don't know. I doubt that you can it, because your mind is like an open book where they can read to either write everything that they want. It is partially the for lack of the " Illojiims " themselves, because they constructed - or rather, constructs badly, in part deliberately - your mental and your conscience without real protective mechanisms.

If you realize that someone is trying to manipulate your mental, you can only concentrate on this supposition and try to analyze each of your reflections and each of your memories. Very important: don't close eyes (that that induced a shape different of cerebral wave that gives back you again more accessible), don't sit down and you don't lengthen to rest you.

If you arrive to remain awake during the first minutes, you can try to filter the other reflections and cerebral waves maybe, and the inductive will quit at the end of some minutes if he/it doesn't get any success, because it is going to begin to hurt his/her/its own brain. It is very difficult and certainly painful, and it can make you of the pain. Also, he/it is not better to try to resist, but it would be your only possibility. Nevertheless, you can try to make it with the weakest races, not with strongest.

Q - That wanted yourselves to say by " a race comes of another very different " plan?

R - before can explain you correctly it, you must be capable to understand the universe, and it would mean a teaching of your mental (including the certain gate suppression) that would be maybe useless and would take several weeks. When I speak of a " teaching ", it doesn't necessarily mean a teaching by words. I used the plane " word " or " level " because you don't have a better word in your vocabulary. In this case, the use of the word " dimension " would be absolutely erroneous (even while speaking of another " bubble ", it is false). Because a dimension cannot exist without plans.

If you were a race living in another plan, or above of the plan, and that besides, you are capable without technology to penetrate in plans, so that your body is not made of this way of matter that you know, then you be be then he the powerful that you can imagine.

This very advanced race that I mentioned is developed himself outside of here, and in fact they evolved on a ladder of billions of years. They would be capable to destroy all of you and of your environment with a simple thought. We were only in contact with them three times during all our history, because their interest for our planet is different of the interest that has the other races. They don't present absolutely any danger for you nor for us.

Q - What is going to happen when the war is going to begin?

R - He/it is very difficult to answer to this question. It depends on the hostile race and his/her/its tactics. The " war " is not still the primitive thing that you other humans mean by this word. The " war " maybe taken to different levels. One of their possibilities is the " destruction " of your social system by influence on your political leaders. An another one of their possibilities is the utilization of advanced weapon systems that can provoke earthquakes, the volcanic eruptions and other disasters (including floodings) that will be able to seem you natural.

The induced special fields by the fusion of the copper of which I spoke are previously capable to influence your climate of a global manner. I think that they are not going to attack your planet directly because the human civilization is weak, and because you have nevertheless the possibility to destroy their vessels (but not a lot of between them). I would say that we are not quite sure that he/it can have there really already a hot " war " in the next years. I don't want to speak more of this topic.

Q - It is the end of the interview. Do you want to say a last sentence or to give a last message?

R - Open your eyes and see. Do believe neither your false history nor your scientists only, nor your politicians. Some some among them knows the truth on many topics, but they don't want to inform the public in order to avoid confusion and panic. I think that your race is not as bad as some of my species think it, and that it would be a pity to attend your end. It is everything that I can say. Browse your world the open eyes, and you will see - or maybe not. Your race is very ignorant.

Q - Think you that who that it is is going to believe that this interview is the truth?

R - No. But it is an interesting experience for my social studies. We will meet all over again in some months and you will tell me what happened after the publication of my message. Maybe there is the hope for your race.

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