To those who would split the newsgroup, that they may post for WHFB or whatever, here's the trick: 1. Fins a rec.* NG with zero traffic. They're out there, I suggest rec.arts.tv.mst3k.announce as they haven't had any traffic in a long time. Any messages you see there now a real old. 2. Squat there. Find some buddies (try alt.kook for willing partiipants) and post all about Warhammer * (whatever you want the new NG to be) Talk up a storm about Warhammer. Find whomever you can, crosspost ads to other, unrealted goups in an effort to draw attention to the cause. If you don't think that can happen, go to the People magazine website and see how many votes Eric Cartman got in thier man of the century poll. It's staggering. 3. Use Hotmail and reposting services to create puppets. Do this hundreds of times. 4. Marvel at the NG traffic, all the pure unbridled discussion of 40K or FB or Necro or whatever. Note how many posts it's getting. 5. Now comes the good part. Netcop the shit out of everybody who helped you squat. Complain to thier ISP or thier mom or whoever will listen, just bitch up a storm. Run aroun the *.hiearchy groups complaining that you can't get any info about Crow T Robot or WankerCon or whatever, just bitch as lon ang loud as you can about all the charter violations. Carry on. 6. After everyone ignores you, get all the folks you just netcopped and all your puppets to request that the ISP make a splinter group, the one you originally wanted. So what if it's rec.arts.tv.mst3k.announce.warhammer.fantasy? It's still your NG. 7. Gloat like a madman, for you have triumphed over usenet. Cackle in an evil laugh. Or... Email your ISP with a request for an alt.* group. Many of the larger ISP's will do this with very little argument. Make sure there's no 'warhammer" in the title, so the clueless sys admin won't know what you're talking about when you want alt.fanboy.games-workshop or hell, even alt.rec.minatures.games-workshop. Remember, there is no charter reqired for alt. groups. It commonly stands for Anarchists, Lunatics and Terrorists. There ya go. I hope yer happy. It is way too early... UPDATE As of now, no one has taken me up on my idea to date. So here's some other solutions: 1. Squat on an Empty alt. group. There's a ton of these. Go to alt....swhedish.chef.bork.bork.bork and claim yer talking about Orcs in WHFB. Alt group seldom have, and don't need a charter. Or go to alt.tv.thundercats, and post "Lion-o is super kool!" at the end of every post. That way you be on topic. 2. Invade another alt. group. Remember, most ISP won't ding you for dicking around on an alt. group, so have a time. I reccomend goinf to alt.flame and diasplacing the people there w/ Warhammer talk. They're a freindly bunch, and will be happy to move along. 3. Eat the bastards who would eat you. Next time somebody votes no, grab a fork. Yee ha.