ART BELL The Greys. Let's do it. Who are they?

DR BROWN Those Greys are interesting. You know, they had a bad rep. What had happened with the Greys was, the early abduction literature was filled with horror stories, about how they were abducting people in the middle of the night, performing gynecological and neurological experiments, and, and procedures, and --

ART BELL Are they?

DR BROWN Well -- in a way, but the reality is, we now know the whole picture. You see, back when we first got introduced to Greys, back in 1947 when in fact, the Roswell thing did occur, we sent people there uh, under uh, under totally blind conditions regularly because it's such an interesting target, there really was a crash. We can even now, find, we occasionally target even the wreckage now, where the remaining parts are, what laboratories the parts are and things like that. The point is, back in 1947 when we first found out as a government about the Greys, the government was put between a rock and a hard place. What could the military tell President Truman, and all the other presidents afterwards? They could say, "Well look Mr. President, you can tell people on the radio or on television or whatever, uh, that the ETs are here. They have extraordinarily advanced technology. Basically we're defenseless. And that they may be doing some things to our citizens that our citizens may not particularly like. Oh and by the way Mr. President, the only other thing you could tell them is uh, that everyone can panic at their own discretion." And every president since Truman has said the same thing: I'm not going on the air with that.

ART BELL Well I wouldn't either.

DR BROWN You've gotta give me something better, there's got to be some hope at the end of this tunnel, and one of the main reasons for Cosmic Voyage is to give the other end of the picture, to give the information that was lacking back in 1947, so we now know that in fact we're not being invaded by hostile species, if anything the Greys are, are as helpful to us as they were to the Martians, they're the calvary, the rescue corps, but the reality is, the Greys are an _extremely_ interesting, _extremely_ benign and helpful species. Now let me explain. They had a lot of, lot of bad press. And the reason is, because they're so different from us. Let's go back. The Greys. Unlike the Martians, destroyed their own homeworld. It wasn't a interplanetary holocaust that was not of their own making, they were very similar to us, except they were, they did not have the limitations that we have, that were completely telepathically aware, even back then, uh, but, they were very similar to us in that they were burning themselves off their own home planet. They basically killed their own planet through wanton abuse of their environment, greed, selfishness, the works. And what happened is, they had to go underground in order to survive. Not too dissimilar to what we're gonna be facing in a hundred years -- actually less than that, about eighty -- but, the point is, they had to go underground, and when they went underground, the [?] as a matter of survival, they had a collective nervous breakdown. They had -- well now we have to start fiddling with our science, with our genes. Well we'd, it'd be nicer if we were a little shorter, because it's hard to walk around in these tunnels. It'd be nicer if we had larger eyes, there's not that much light down here, down under. And then they started to saying well, you know, as smaller Beings it's harder to give birth, we might as well start raising our fetuses in, in tubes, in like, large canisters. And then they started to say, "Well look, we're getting good at this genetics manipulation stuff, why don't we solve the problem in the first place. Why don't we get rid of the rampant emotions, the greed that we have and everything else that drove us to this stuff?" And then they did the following: You know when you have a happy experience? You have happy molecules that are created electrochemically in your brain. When you have an unhappy experience, you have unhappy molecules that are created. That's why a mood takes a little while to dissipate, 'cause the molecules are still hanging around. And the Greys said, "Let's change our brains, genetically, so that we have only the one electrochemical response to any stimulus that we get. And we'll try to advance spiritually." They were self-realized, in the sense they knew they were composite Beings. "We'll try to advance in the spiritual realm, and we'll get rid of all the anger, all the hostility, everything" -- they even got rid of love. On the electrochemical level. And what they have is basically a society that's not that [?] different from Spock. Electrochemical brains that produce only one benign response to anything that happens to them, and they evolved spiritually, tremendously -- but they realized eventually they were in a cul-de-sac, a dead end, the reason for them Being composite beings, physical as well as subspace, was so that they could experience something in the physical realm. And then, they realized that unless they had more emotional flexibility in their minds, they couldn't be like some of the very great Beings that they discovered out in the realm. They needed to experience more. Yet they were terrified of going back to their own past. They were terrified of their own past genetics. Because that's what led 'em into that problem, that collective nervous breakdown in the first place. They went to the Galactic Federation. All of this is explained out in detail, point by point, in the book Cosmic Voyage. And they went to the Galactic Federation, served as, as outstanding members of the Federation for many projects, including rescuing the Martians, for a long time, and they eventually, finally, submitted, like going for a National Science Foundation grant, they submitted their own application, for help in a genetic uplift project for themselves. And they picked our planet, Earth, because a tremendous variety in genetic variation on this planet. And they applied to the Galactic Federation and said, may we have permission to go there and use the gene pool? They were awarded the grant. They were said, they were given permission. And then, they got here, and what they do, you have to understand, we were alive before we were alive, we were alive before we were physical bodies. They go around, we've witnessed this countless times, they go around and people, human beings, or Pre-human beings, people before they are physical human beings, volunteer. And they say, countless times we've seen this, and the Greys ask for permission. And the people volunteer and say, "When I am a physical human being, I am willingly going to participate in this so-called abduction phenomenon so that you can get some of the genes to help uplift the species." By the way, I have to say, before the commercial happens, I have to tell you, we have to come to this at the next half hour, the project works. It is one of the most beautiful transformations of the species that anybody has witnessed on -- ever, and the point is, many humans volunteered before they were human, knowing full well that when they were, when they did become human, because of the limitations that we have self-imposed on ourselves with regard to our own genetics, that we would not remember the experience. And when you actually have an abduction experience, you don't remember that in fact you gave permission, but the Greys are almost comical, in the way that they ask permission for _everything_, and so the point is, that when we remote view, say, for example, a woman, but it happens with men too, but a woman, being abducted, being transported up to a Grey ship, having gynecological procedures going on and fetuses going in and out and so on, on the surface level if you put a meter up to her electrochemical brain it's like right at the meter, it would break the meter, panic, chaos, horror, everything: but then the remote viewer can go deeper, and we have, many times, you go into the subspace component, the subspace aspect of the person, the soul, and you find ecstasy, the reason for existence, fulfillment of purpose, and it doesn't make sense! And then the remote viewer has to travel back in time, before the person was born, and you find a fully sentient being saying, "I participated."

ART BELL Alright. Hold it right there, we'll be right back. Doctor Courtney Brown is my guest. There'll be more.

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ART BELL Back now to Doctor, uh, Brown. Doctor, um, they want you to talk more about the Greys, I've got a few phone calls I really really wanna get to, but I wanna ask you, where are the Greys from?

DR BROWN They're from another planet. They're clearly not future humans. They're from another star system in our galaxy. We're not dealing with galaxies that are far away. By the way, we must understand something that's very exciting. One of the remote viewing sessions uh, that was introducing this concept, we've later gotten it much more thoroughly, but the remote viewing that I've written about in the book, Cosmic Voyage, uh, one of the remote viewing sessions indicated that we, when we got to the Galactic Federation Headquarters, uh we actually had an interview, uh, the military remote viewing was never interactive, it was always just -- they disregarded any interaction is basically what happened, but we have gotten it to the point where we actually, with telepathically capable Beings, you actually can get information backward and forward, uh, when you're doing the remote viewing, uh, professionals can, and uh what we've found out was that there, is that the Galactic Federation actually needs us, we're not just kids coming out of the daycare camp, there's actually a role for us to play, the Galactic Federation is _not_ spread throughout the entire galaxy, and there's, you know, there's, it's literally like the Star Trek series {Bell: Somehow I'm not surprised.}, the Federation is expanding, and there's, you know, and there's literally [?] to explore, and things like that --

ART BELL Somehow I'm not surprised. What you seem to suggest though is that genetically, um, without tampering, without changing genetically a race, any race, really, is ultimately doomed.

DR BROWN Well no, no, no. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Nothing, nothing, ever, stays constant. {Bell: [?]Yes.} So in that sense, everything is doomed. The point is, evolution is the only name of the game in town. There's no other game. The reason that the Greys are different from humans is that some Beings prefer the Grey experience to existence over the human experience to existence. {Bell: I understand.} And we choose to enter the human realm and to participate in this human realm for awhile until we get tired of it and move on, but uh, the difference is, is that there is endless variation to existence, and some experiences are different than others. And the Greys experience life differently than us. Now. Art. Before we run out of time, I - I just have to say one thing. I'm a very controlled remote viewer, in the sense that, uh, I'm fully professional, I run a school, uh, actually there's a number of people, a whole bunch of us running it now, but the point is, that in a remote viewing session, I never "lose it," in the sense of, you know, any emotions I get are clearly put in the right spot and I don't, they don't affect what I'm doing. But twice, I almost lost it. Let me tell you those two experiences. The first, was when I remote viewed the future Greys. The result of this genetic project. The Greys found they needed a new experience, a different experience. They didn't want their old genetics, they wanted something brand new, they wanted part of our genes. They don't want the whole thing, they consider us a dysfunctional species in some regards. {Bell: Oh, we are.} We're aggressive, we're territorial, we fight, look at our divorce rate, look at how we treat kids a lot of times, or the homeless people. Well, they don't want our aggression, our hate, our anger, our fear, our territoriality, they don't want that. But, they do want the love, the nurturing, the caring, all the good things. And so those are the genes that produce those type of electrochemical responses for love, caring, nurturing, things like that, that they're splicing in, slowly but surely, into their own genetic framework. And when we have remote viewed the future, the first time I did this, the future of the Greys, when you go to their planet, yes they have a planet, a future planet, when you go to the planet where they take this race, that literally is our grandchildren, they are our offspring, they're half us {Bell: I understand.}, and when you go to this planet, and look at them, and do a mind probe and perceive them, it can, it's just one of the most beautiful things anyone could ever see. They're like, you know we've also remote viewed uh, famous personalities, like Jesus, Buddha, things like that -- uh why not? They lived at one time, they -- obviously no one dies, so you can remote view them at any time. And uh, the Jesus personality is a very interesting personality. Uh, when I remote viewed the Greys, the big difference between the personality of Jesus and the personality of the Greys was that Jesus had more of a command structure, more of a command personality, more of a, you know, sort of an authority type of -- very pleasant, but you have to sort of experience it, the words don't do it justice -- uh, but Jesus is a very uh, beautiful personality to remote view, we send trainees there from time to time, he's been very cooperative under completely blind situations. But, with the Greys, it's like that, you get all the love, all the nurturing, all the caring, none of the hostility, they're like the types of people you want next door, the ones who always have a cup of sugar when you need it. {Bell: Good neighbors, yeah.} And now the other time, the second time, that I uh, almost lost it in a remote viewing session, and what that means is I almost had to just break off the session, the emotions were so overwhelming, is uh, the emotions of the target were so overwhelming to me. Was when I remote viewed the Martian flotilla, leaving Mars, finally, when the day of exodus, like the, like the Israelies, Israelites leaving Egypt, the day of exodus when they leave their prison planet and come here, that flotilla -- it almost chokes me up when I just think about it -- but, the emotions of those people, the euphoria, of coming, to the promised land, Earth, coming out of their imprisonment to the promised land, the emotions inside that flotilla when it comes in our not distant future, is just one of the most remarkable states of emotional awareness that has ever been experienced by anybody. {Bell: Alright, I --} They're happy to come here.

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