The Dzopa : Skywriters and Ancient Astronauts

By : W. Saitsew - dated 1968

  Date:          Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
  Subject:       The Dzopa : Skywriters and Ancient Astronauts

  While I was unable to locate the Lolladoff Plate in a cursory search of
  the web, I was able to find this article and pass it along for your
  perusal under the heading of: The Stonedisks of Baian-Kara-Ula




  Note: No ethnological minority with the name "Dropa" or
        "Dzopa" respectively is recorded in china.
 

  Science or Phantasy                       1968: W.Saitsew's paper 

        In the borderland between Tibet and China there is the cave region
  of the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains. 25 years ago, remarkable finds of tablets
  with writing and hieroglyphics were made there. Several thousand years
  ago a people whose looks chinese archeologists are only vaguely familiar
  with, had been cutting phonograph record like stonedisks out of the
  hardest granite with a set of completely unknown tools.

        The 716 stonedisks found so far also have a hole in their center   
  just as phonograph records do. From there, spiralling out towards the rim,
  aredouble-grooves. These grooves of course are not like sound-tracks but
  rather the most peculiar writing-system which has never been found in
  China and possibly even the world. It took archeologists and scientists
  over two decades to decipher it. The contents are so phantastic that the
  academy of pre-history in Beijing didn't want to publish the report of
  the scientist Prof. Tsum Um Nui at first.

        Backed by four colleagues, archeologist Tsum Um Nui stated: "the
  groove-writing tells of aerial vehicles which, according to the stonedisks
  existed 12.000 years ago". In one place it says literally: "The Dropa came
  down from the clouds with their airgliders. Ten times the men, women and 
  children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they understood
  the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this time." Finds of the 
  Dropa and Kham races have been made earlier already in these mountain 
  caves. Archeologists were and still are unable to ethnologically assign 
  these only up to 4 ft. 4 in. tall humans. There are no similarities with 
  the chinese, mongols or tibetans. One could of course suggest that a few 
  thousand years ago a Kham literate was playing a joke, or that it was
  mere superstition when he was talking about aircrafts. 

       But then, what does one do about the statement, all sensations
  excluded, reported in other groove-hieroglyphics of a great mourning
  about the own airfleet's destruction during landing in the very
  inaccessible mountains and the lack of means to rebuild it. The
  hieroglyphics of Baian-Kara-Ula appear to be so mysterious to the chinese
  archeology that only very careful scientific use has been made of them. 
  On one occasion a sensational discovery had been made. The disks contain
  a lot of cobalt and other metals. When testing a disk with an oscillograph
  a surprising oscillation rhythym was discovered, just as if the disks with
  their groove-writing had once been charged or had functioned as electrical
  conductors. Nobody can tell what's behind these 12.000 year old
  stonedisks.

       Assumptions would be too risky and not objective enough. But
  one is reminded of the ancient chinese tale of the small and slender
  yellow people who came from the clouds and were shunned by everyone due
  to their ugliness - large, wide heads and very slender bodies - and
  hunted by the "men with the quick horses" (Mongols?). In fact there had
  been finds of grave- and skeleton remains in the caves from 12.000 years
  ago and it's also a fact that these finds, classified as remains of the
  Dropa and Kham race, carried the signs of a small body frame and very
  large heads. The very first archeological reports tell of an extinct
  mountain gorilla species. But has anyone heard of ordered monkey-graves
  and writing-tablets?

      In 1940 the archeologist Chi Pu Tei was widely mocked at for making
  such a claim. But Chi Pu Tei defended himself by declaring that the stone
  disks had been added to the caves by later cultures. This is all rather 
  confusing, but it does not change anything about the hieroglyph-mystery 
  of Baian-Kara-Ula, which gets even more complicated by the fact that the 
  cave walls show carved pictures of the writing tablets, in several places
  the rising sun, the moon and stars in between whole swarms of pea-sized 
  dots that are descending towards the mountains and the earth in graceful
  curves. 

  The above text is a translation of the original paper written by W.
  Saitsew and has not been altered in any way.



  From:          celticx@ime.net
  Date:          Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:08:03 +0000
  Subject:       A Cosmic Puzzle (And Earthly Thanks!)
  Priority:      normal

  Dear Friends,

    The symbols bear a striking resemblance to those found on a curious
  "plate" purchased in Mussorie in Northern India in 1945 by Dr. Sergei
  Lolladoff, a Polish Professor of Anthropology and Ethnology (1903-1949).
  The plate is shown in a black and white photograph that appears in a
  book called "Sungods In Exile". This book, which I have never seen
  another copy of save my own, was edited from the works of Dr. Karyl
  Robin-Evans, M.A., D.Phil, by his secretary, David Agamon, M.A. It was
  published in Great Britain, after Robin-Evans death in 1974 (as per his
  request), by Neville Spearman Limited. Driven by his desire to learn
  more about the plate, Robin-Evans journeyed to the mountains of Tibet in
  search of the mysterious Dzopa people, the guardians of this and other
  similar "plates".

  Professor Lolladoff brought the object to Oxford (where he met and
  worked with Robin-Evans) so that it could be studied. He described it in
  considerable detail in a paper in the Journal of Comparative Ethnology:

  "It's thickness, they noted, was nearly 2 1/4 inches at the centre, and
  it was nearly 9 inches across. One side was blank. On the other a band
  ran from the edge inwards to the centre, decorated with light reliefs,
  which lacked artistic merit. Reading out clockwise from the centre,
  where there was a twelve rayed design representing the sun (or a sun),
  one could see (1) a squirrel-like creature, (2) a band of four shapes,
  one repeated, the other resembling them in general size, leading the two
  to guess that they where probably a form of writing, (3) a shape like a
  lens or a disc seen edge-on, with a line that did not meet its sides,
  (4) further "lettering", this time in two rows of six, (5) a large
  headed figure with its head towards the centre, (6) two spider-like
  shapes (possibly small suns or planets?), and (7) what is possibly
  intended to represent a lizard."

  Of further interest - for its size, the plate was remarkably heavy,
  slightly slippery to touch, grey inclining toward black. It was "so
  intensely hard that even a diamond pointed drill could make practically
  no impression." The actual weight of the object fluctuated and was never
  constant. "Those who tried to read its mystery with a magnetometer
  reported curious resonances that could not be explained by any internal
  structures that they could imagine. One of these physicists suggested
  that, far from being the handiwork of primitive people, what they held
  was in fact some highly advanced kind of recording machine."

  The plate secured by Professor Lolladoff as one of several such
  plates. The Dzopa, who claimed that their ancestors came from the
  stars, where charged with preserving the plates and protecting their
  secret. These people averaged 3-4 feet in height and were in possession
  of what may have been (according to Robin-Evans journals) a centuries
  old crashed disc.

  Please note, the plate pictured in this book is NOT like the ones
  shown on the Stonedisks of Baian-Kara-Ula website. After following my
  compulsion to dig this book out from it's storage box, I did a search on
  Lolladoff - I was shocked to have a site listed containing some
  information. I would urge anyone interested in this story to visit the
  web site, there is more information on the Dzopa. Again, the plate that
  I am talking about is not like the ones pictured. I will scan the
  picture in the book and send it with a post so that you can compare it
  with the more recent mystery symbols.

    Where did the "alien" writing material come from? I have a copy of the
  JPEG, but no explanation as to how it was obtained, etc. If anyone has
  any further information, please contact me. I would love to know where
  the plate is now. Are the Dzopa gone or might some of them still be
  living in Tibet?

  This is a fascinating, and I think, important, story. I hope to find
  more pieces of the puzzle. We are each others best resource, thanks
  again!

  Best Regards,
  Mark